Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Ben Finney Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 06:00:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Tue Aug 8 03:53:13 2017 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.206 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -6.1 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Lines: 37 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney Cancel-Lock: sha1:k1/xtm0MRREZtwIz2vEYMogWx7Y= X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15121 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/85mv7alnqy.fsf@benfinney.id.au Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 13:52:37 +1000 X-Original-Message-ID: <85mv7alnqy.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-Original-References: <3109A909-3338-4717-BFD2-D65E9206FD7F@debian.org> <9614BFBC-E260-48A6-B722-DDD41E715A20@kitterman.com> <92E6FF73-391C-45FE-A213-6AAED284629D@debian.org> <1502142757.2351.35.camel@ghic.org> <690EAE7E-8005-4723-891E-C2E30C3B35AD@debian.org> <85shh3lzp1.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1502149701.2351.60.camel@ghic.org> <85inhyn8zk.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <858tiun6wh.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1502161770.2351.63.camel@ghic.org> <85valylp2c.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1502163476.2351.68.camel@ghic.org> X-Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:9740 Diane Trout writes: > On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 13:24 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > > Those people, not party [to] this conversation, have reasonable > > expectation that such breakage will not happen without very good > > reason. > > Good reason would entail, as an example, that there is no better > > alternative. > > Why not ask? Ask whom? Because the issue is about the expectations of those who *don't want* to be bothered by technical discussions like this, asking those few who make themselves available for such questions will not resolve the issue. At best, we would have a collection of anecdotes and no idea how representative they are of those who choose not to be contactable (but still expect Debian to avoid breaking things unnecessarily). At worst, we would have a collection of anecdotes that would be a strong temptation for *falsely assuming* they represent the silent majority. Barry, earlier in this thread, was correct when he pointed out that, by the nature of the issue, we *can't* know with confidence what the majority of people expect about this change. So IMO the conservative assumption is that they expect Debian to provide the stability it is famous for, and not to break the behaviour of commands unnecessarily. -- \ “Some people have a problem, and they think “I know, I'll use | `\ Perl!”. Now they have some number of problems but they're not | _o__) sure whether it's a string or an integer.” —Benno Rice, 2011 | Ben Finney