Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.us.feeder.erje.net!news.glorb.com!diesel.cu.mi.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Paul Wise Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 05:00:01 +0200 Message-ID: References:

X-Original-To: debian-python X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sun Sep 11 02:52:26 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.697 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=xcFN/kMFVVagybTaERv39aWci1ZGe1Zrop6/kSW5dD4=; b=prpLIR+VWOZCQopcX7PAT/KyNmy5dXsIV2Ur4e/ySZwGfDj1hBTl3FkmQxowavXA5N UGNZuGr9h1ojbQqbZttRJP5S9r+KBEy58NP0R4YD6FWfHxa6K1NJX8Jn1QbMlgF/4uB1 AXm9IRQozI+tsXmGxeR6mgvE6bMTIE8Crj+cMbYUTxVqODnX2V1qHyUrGecsVfKzlz08 F4BRdDrKLNt4CJuApderBmvfke759raEEnjBICyz914xgzXVZLdMsYAc4x4DgcT2p11I 11S6fq+YUyOTpzZAHpFGYHP0BNgb5Nn97WmEA0qO99ojYSDuBm+OSjxscO2BXpDyG8Gb 8+5w== X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xcFN/kMFVVagybTaERv39aWci1ZGe1Zrop6/kSW5dD4=; b=UrMpaRLpaj0RdhRxqIJUChUlv+RJbMmHEJJFk/JbEKd/Fo+n69/ZNTOVPndkJdj06k 40BZLo6peltNY5UB6Rc92+dUKgEsDrcjV9r2E4QQH62KpBbuRggdSUUlZzPHNL964/d+ ZpWnQBOYg2x7z35yCnViDfjFq+znonOZAFpZ8XzMwKhrG/zs/7RE0UiDi2ZimvWIj0oF Rg5Jvw+/EkKd3i/OfrRGu0G2l7N6dtcFyjvIFrhsyRFIYVRVq/vz3Axs++cz6M0F+F5Z Fico20LWZ3JhhENskrJQKYSLkqvxHjzLCYEs+RcxE7nPrlaHzZidKIVjxXyJF2ToI3Ct y3tA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwO9RmiAh6rajhpPfMNhexipd+XGsvXy3HEaUj3/qwRbJFmOrXMfuzkt7OPWWD7lOrNz1qFT/MajMmfCFg== X-Received: by 10.194.107.69 with SMTP id ha5mr8941317wjb.100.1473562329459; Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:52:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Google-Sender-Auth: B6jGO-aR-l8s31gVpZK1uKM7eDk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14202 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/CAKTje6F-U7qOAP1Uy-DQNQjCNDQLBcJqPH+fgsqndJOvPce1hg@mail.gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 24 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:52:08 +0800 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <20160911063518.3c05a80b.barry@wooz.org> X-Original-Sender: paul.is.wise@gmail.com Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:8864 On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:23 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> On Sep 10, 2016, at 02:46 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> >>>I'm sure i'm not the only member using gmail, which bounces spam >>>emails and that what causes this problem. >> >> Are you sure about that? Bouncing spam has been bad practice for a very long >> time. > > i indeed used a wrong term (in email-world bounce has a specific > meaning): gmail rejects spam emails (according to its filters) during > the smtp session with the other MTA, so it's not a bounce, but the > sender (alioth in this case) cant deliver the email, and that's what > triggers the suspended membership process. Rejecting instead of discarding spam sent to mailing lists has also been bad practice for a long time. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise