Path: csiph.com!2.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!enother.net!enother.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Santiago Vila Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 18:00:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sat Sep 10 15:51:10 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.428 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.508] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/ (1.7.0) X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14194 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20160910153412.efnwyunnwe4vfyqk@nuc Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 31 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:34:12 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <20160910153412.efnwyunnwe4vfyqk@nuc> X-Original-References: <20160910143220.xjrowygwxhbs56jw@nuc> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:8856 On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 04:15:19PM +0100, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Santiago Vila wrote: > > AFAIK, Gmail does not bounce spam. It rejects messages with broken > > DKIM signatures. > > no. it rejects (yes technically not bounce, the mails are rejected in > the smtp session to gmails MX servers) mails as > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/python-modules-team/2016-September/033740.html > which never reached my inbox (not even in the spam folder) Fine, but it is yet to be seen that the quoted message is rejected for being "spam" (which is not an exact science), it could also be rejected for having a broken DKIM signature (which may be checked automatically), as the email is clearly modified by the list server. The "[Python-modules-team]" thing in the subject is probably enough to break the DKIM signature. We should really not be sending messages having broken signatures to the outside world, including our own email inboxes. And email users subscribed to one or more mailing lists should really use email filters to filter email, not rely on this obnoxious subject munging. More to the point, when you subscribe to a mailing list, you should be ready to accept all messages from such mailing list, not accept some messages and reject others. Thanks.