Path: csiph.com!news.freedyn.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Barry Warsaw Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: on keep providing python 2 packages Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:20:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sun Aug 21 20:18:18 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, PGPSIGNATURE=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -5 Organization: The Organization of Unorganized Woozalists X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.14.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/raky+5Nvm0O9i0Vv0ku5HTk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14150 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20160821161802.7d5cbd9e@subdivisions.wooz.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 86 Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 16:18:02 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <20160821161802.7d5cbd9e@subdivisions.wooz.org> X-Original-References: <20160819104252.iongmlrtnsxiwlcu@mitya57.me> <20160819172654.jqrm6ntegcqyalmu@mitya57.me> <20160820190551.cz2v5myvnmszfnd3@chase.mapreri.org> <20160820223042.pde6vi32axlu5x5w@p1otr.com> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:8809 --Sig_/raky+5Nvm0O9i0Vv0ku5HTk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW, On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Piotr O=C5=BCarowski wrote: >* all Python applications that support it, should use 3.X only *now* > (and do not bother with things like alternatives or "-3" suffixes / > "python3-" prefixes - at least for new packages; I'd even slowly start > removing alternatives, if it doesn't affect users), +1 >* libraries in Stretch should support 2.X (i.e. add python-foo binary > packages) if that doesn't require too much additional work (py2dsp > still creates them). I'm OK with shipping 3.X only packages in NEW > packages, though. I'd not encourage people to do so but also not > forbid it, I'd also say that it isn't worth *removing* Python 2.x support right now, unless of course upstream drops it first. >* we shouldn't accept 2.X only packages in Buster (Stretch+1, released ~20= 19) > unless they're a dependency of other packages, and start shipping 3.X on= ly > packages where it makes sense (and I hope that decision will be mostly m= ade > by upstreams by simply dropping 2.X support). We can drop some 2.X packa= ges > (problematic to maintain? better alternatives available? low popcon?), b= ut > do not do a mass removal yet, +1 >* for Bullseye (Stretch+2, released ~2021) we should start dropping 2.X > packages, and maybe even remove 2.X interpreter, +1 - remember that this will be 10-11 years after 2.7 was released! >* Bullseye + 1 (~2023) is the one without 2.X interpreter and > python-foo packages for sure (and without /usr/bin/python symlink or > at least without Debian packages mentioning it, there should be a rule > to not speak about /usr/bin/python symlink! ;) +1 >Note that Python upstream will stop supporting 2.X in ~2020 so about one >year (and a half?) after releasing Buster. As you point out, upstream will stop supporting Python 2.7 for normal bug fixes in 2020, although I suspect it will be supported in security-fix source-only mode for some years after that. There has not be an official announcement of that IIRC, and PEP 373 doesn't describe that, so it's just = my opinion. Cheers, -Barry --Sig_/raky+5Nvm0O9i0Vv0ku5HTk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXugx6AAoJEBJutWOnSwa/GgsP/jBDci1u4AfXqG/FYLFjLWBy u6CNZCPW3ohzbSITRQZw92kmUAvmg7nwGV6tFfMhFmE+Gom+CIKNW7Fdm6fGX1pE aqfuHqLSV9YFycp1BHDOV5qgmqcSFULfyb6AofW45X9vTanaHHNnuoQYFxYtAMGJ D8fjTTFkydVSP206iIYMy5QDC373h0Kaw7mQUCQax+ET2aLOWtM43p499tpfv1dQ BBdfBWQSwnp0UUb74irWg40UUn57jcGQA7iuKLq/6GUZDtLKBB3O2+hTVu0K0w4S dTrRuSaKMVS771GzCr219tom0XHgXm2PLvTNhRK7jfIEAMreCIsNhCw8ypBEatLk 5j5wAkQzAmAgwc9Y6SG3I3FF2Ac5v/N+WxXE/3bVxxjI+LdLkx9pqL5xpMlZ1BDP J9/eXYU0wdAWbSBEocjcSjDhe7689LljVWD92ZZCsF0BWnCT602ioMCOQHszT10h 7iKd2RXmkgnSjfXprUHPrq/JDvKQ9CpLwJM6yVFaaFZdi+tYMEJmO+c56kTmqVyz fent3U4Uvfyob35TflZ3jKFAYca8xQb2jCe6DvFsbK50oQz4qmekqxXIJ0F05Iji BV/r5x8DIMQfun+fp/UTy25kzNpC5AjV2GvCkM3HAXy649/KLbg5IBWijgemgzgU MGlqsB5CG2TUT+NmjA+2 =BfGY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/raky+5Nvm0O9i0Vv0ku5HTk--