Path: csiph.com!news.freedyn.net!aioe.org!gothmog.csi.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Barry Warsaw Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Python Policy: Things to consider for Stretch Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 02:20:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Tue Feb 16 01:15:40 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -5 Organization: The Organization of Unorganized Woozalists X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.1 (GTK+ 2.24.29; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13537 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20160215201523.7c1f81d4@subdivisions.wooz.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 30 Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:15:23 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <20160215201523.7c1f81d4@subdivisions.wooz.org> X-Original-References: <1705132.RfqMtW1P2v@kitterma-e6430> <20160122175519.5cb7542e@anarchist.wooz.org> <20160215194238.4e788bc1@subdivisions.wooz.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:8212 On Feb 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >I always thought it strange to put site- in /usr/local since >/usr/local already implies site/system-wide packages. Same for dist- >since /usr already implies distribution packages. For as long as I can remember, a from-source 'configure && make && make install' always put Python in /usr/local by default. I think it was pretty much the defacto standard for non-vendor supplied software[*] back in the days of IRIX, SunOS, and other early *nix OSes that Python was developed on. So it was therefore completely natural that you'd end up with a site-packages in /usr/local. It was only later that the /usr/local site-packages directory ended up on a /usr pathed distro-provided Python, which of course led to the previously discussed dist-packages, the location of which completely mirrors site-packages. >I find it weird that site- gets used in ~/ since they are clearly user >packages not site/system-wide packages. It's all just a big ball of cruft-on-cruft with backward compatibility preventing most cullings. Somewhere out there, the entire world financial system probably still critically depends on a tiny bit of Python 1.3 that nobody has anything but the .pyc files for any more. ;) Cheers, -Barry [*] I can't even call it Free Software or Open Source because it predates those terms. I mean, I started out sharing split shar files on Usenet with my UUCP address. ObGOML.