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From: Donald Stufft <donald@stufft.io>
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Subject: Re: Amend Debian Python Proposal to Include More Python Metadata?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:30:02 +0100
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> On Jan 22, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 05:50:13 PM Donald Stufft wrote:
> ...
>> We already have an option like this, the =E2=80=94root option which =
will just append
>> a different prefix to all of the installation paths. So essentially =
instead
>> of invoking ``python setup.py install =E2=80=94root /tmp/something/`` =
which is what
>> I think you=E2=80=99re doing now, you=E2=80=99d do ``pip install =
=E2=80=94root /tmp/something/
>> =E2=80=94no-deps .`` and it=E2=80=99d just work similarly to what you =
have now, except pip
>> would be responsible for interacting with the Python build system.
> ...
>=20
> Why would pip interacting with the Python build system instead of =
setuptools
> be better?
>=20
> Scott K

setuptools *is* the build system right now (or distutils if you=E2=80=99re=
 still using
that). So the benefit to Debian right now would be: We maintain the
distutils/setuptools hacks to make them suck less so you don=E2=80=99t =
have to!

Longer term, we want to enable people to go hog wild and invent their =
own
build systems instead of trying to do it all one size fits all with =
everyone
miserable because it doesn=E2=80=99t solve anyones problems nicely. At =
that point the
benefit to Debian becomes that instead of having to implement the =
standard
build tool interface that these tools implement (Which will most likely =
be
geared towards produces wheels, not towards putting files on disk in an
installed location) Debian can just let us maintain that bit of code =
too.

Of course, if Debian would prefer to interact directly with these tools, =
it=E2=80=99s
totally fine to do that. The whole point of us doing this work and =
trying to
define formats and APIs and not bless implementations is so anyone who =
wants
to can slot in their own tool in the process instead of being forced to =
use
some blessed tool.

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