Path: csiph.com!2.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!news-2.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!storethat.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.panservice.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Piotr =?utf-8?Q?O=C5=BCarowski?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Amend Debian Python Proposal to Include More Python Metadata? Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:20:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Fri Jan 22 17:10:06 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -6.1 Mail-Followup-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux (3.16.0-4-amd64) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13444 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20160122170947.GH11588@sar0.p1otr.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 35 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:09:47 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <20160122170947.GH11588@sar0.p1otr.com> X-Original-References: <20160122153607.GE11588@sar0.p1otr.com> <20160122161836.GG11588@sar0.p1otr.com> <20160122164125.GA7474@cassiel.pault.ag> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:8121 [Paul Tagliamonte, 2016-01-22] > I'm sure if you had a real and honest conversation with Donnald, there'd > be middleground. I've never found him to be the sort to bully or ignore > technical arguments. and why we cannot find a middle ground here? Did I say something bad about Donald? Quite the contrary, I think he's the best guy to talk to regarding pip/setuptools/distutils. > "Give me a thing I want and I'll fix this broken thing otherwise it'll > remain broken" is *NOT* how we do things in Debian. Flat out. This > isn't a game of poker, and the archive is not yours to bargain with. no, it's: "I already use too many hacks, but I will add another one if you bribe me" ;P There's nothing "broken" on our side, so I don't have to fix anything (other than educating our users to not shoot themselves in the foot) I want to help Daniel (I will even send a pull request if he wants), all I need is something for me in return (and I'm also OK with adding "Q: why don't you allow me to touch system files? A: because evil Piotr made me" to pip's FAQ) > I've never used my position on the ftpteam to bully someone into doing a > thing, and I seriously hope that was a bad joke about using your > position in DPMT/PAPT to get what you want. it's my time and I will do in my time whatever I want. If I want to add a hack to pybuild in my free time, I will do it when I want, you will not bully me into doing something you think is right! -- Piotr Ożarowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645