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Would it be hard to support both philosophies?

I would like to suggest a couple of configuration options that by default
disallow using pip outside a virtual environment but that users with root
privilege can modify by editing a config file (probably somewhere in /etc)
and that would enable using pip outside a virtual environment, both as root
and as regular user respectively.

I feel this would satisfy the needs of regular users to be protected
against accidentally breaking their system while enabling power users to
have full control of their computer and enjoy the simplicity of a single
environment. Clearly this discussion suggests that debian has both types of
users and we should support them both if we can.

Thank you.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 2:17=E2=80=AFPM Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> w=
rote:

> On 2023-03-03 18:44:19 +0000 (+0000), Danial Behzadi =D8=AF=D8=A7=D9=86=
=DB=8C=D8=A7=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=87=D8=B2=D8=A7=D8=AF=DB=8C wrote:
> > You just want to install sphinx via pip in the virtual environment
> > too. Each venv should be atomic and isolated which means not
> > depended to system packages.
>
> However a venv can be made to use system packages if you use the
> --system-site-packages option when creating it.
> --
> Jeremy Stanley
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Wou=
ld it be hard to support both philosophies? <br><br>I would like to suggest=
 a couple of configuration options that by default disallow using pip outsi=
de a virtual environment but that users with root privilege can modify by e=
diting a config file (probably somewhere in /etc) and that would enable usi=
ng pip outside a virtual environment, both as root and as regular user resp=
ectively.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:smal=
l">I feel this would satisfy the needs of regular users to be protected aga=
inst accidentally breaking their system while enabling power users to have =
full control of their computer and enjoy the simplicity of a single environ=
ment. Clearly this discussion suggests that debian has both types of users =
and we should support them both if we can.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small">Thank you.<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 2:17=E2=80=
=AFPM Jeremy Stanley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fungi@yuggoth.org">fungi@yuggoth=
.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">On 2023-03-03 18:44:19 +0000 (+0000), Danial Behzadi =D8=AF=D8=A7=D9=86=
=DB=8C=D8=A7=D9=84 =D8=A8=D9=87=D8=B2=D8=A7=D8=AF=DB=8C wrote:<br>
&gt; You just want to install sphinx via pip in the virtual environment<br>
&gt; too. Each venv should be atomic and isolated which means not<br>
&gt; depended to system packages.<br>
<br>
However a venv can be made to use system packages if you use the<br>
--system-site-packages option when creating it.<br>
-- <br>
Jeremy Stanley<br>
</blockquote></div>

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