Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Stefano Rivera Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: PDM - Python package manager for Debian Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 14:10:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sun Apr 3 12:05:01 2022 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.861 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, USER_IN_DKIM_WELCOMELIST=0.001, USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -4.6 Mail-Followup-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Gpg-Public-Key: http://www.rivera.za.net/stefano.gpg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: NeoMutt/20201127 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19868 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20220403120445.ygerqpdmt7l3wuma@satie.tumbleweed.org.za Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 26 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:04:45 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <20220403120445.ygerqpdmt7l3wuma@satie.tumbleweed.org.za> X-Original-References: <6382926e-6edc-d4ee-2b97-9b33cf3989fb@t-online.de> <19b9ef68-ec54-404a-842a-570b572fa925@debian.org> <0488bd82-712a-b262-712d-17ef059afe28@t-online.de> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:14046 Hi Dominik (2022.04.03_09:16:14_+0000) > > I've compared the tarball from GH with the file from PyPi, the sdist on= PyPi contains even less files than the GH tarball, but also no setup.* fil= es. >=20 > Uh, PEP-517 actually allows that... I have never seen that in the wild. It's becoming quite common now. Anything that doesn't use setuptools won't have setup.* files. And now that there are options besides setuptools, people are switching to them. > Cool, so this really means we will ultimately have to package > everybody's homegrown build system now =F0=9F=99=84. Sensible build systems divide the frontend (CLI and developer tools) =66rom the backend (PEP-517 API), so that only the latter is needed at build time (and in Debian). But yes, I expect a bit of an explosion in PEP-517 backends in the archive. And none of them are particularly stable, yet. Lots of churn. SR --=20 Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272