Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Jeremy Stanley Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Re: Challenges packaging Python for a Linux distro - at Python Language Summit Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 14:30:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Mon May 17 12:22:23 2021 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.98 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8=0.02, PGPSIGNATURE=-5, RERE=1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tmuudbl43ef5zkez" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-Sa-Exim-Connect-IP: 2001:4802:7801:102:be76:4eff:fe20:63e0 X-Sa-Exim-Rcpt-To: lkcl@lkcl.net, debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Sa-Exim-Mail-From: fungi@yuggoth.org X-Sa-Exim-Scanned: No (on azathoth.yuggoth.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19158 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20210517122203.2wlsug663kqujtnt@yuggoth.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 68 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 12:22:03 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <20210517122203.2wlsug663kqujtnt@yuggoth.org> X-Original-References: Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:13371 --tmuudbl43ef5zkez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2021-05-17 07:10:39 +0100 (+0100), Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > (apologies i forgot to say, please do cc me [...] Done. > a dist-upgrade to debian / testing - a way to obtain the latest > variants of critical software - frequently resulted in massive > breakage. >=20 > i quickly learned never to attempt that again given the massive > disruption it caused to me being able to earn money as a software > engineer. [...] You're probably just going to see this as further confirmation of your opinion, or yet another person telling you that you're doing it wrong, but as someone who also writes rather a lot of Python programs for a living I learned long ago to not develop against the "system" on any platform. I use sid/unstable for my development systems, but I consider the python3 package in it to have two uses: Testing new packages of software which are targeting a future Debian stable release, and running other packaged things which are already part of Debian. For software development work, I compile my own Python interpreters and libraries, because I need to develop against a variety of different versions of these, sometimes in chroots, to be able to target other distros and releases thereof. I keep all these in my homedir or otherwise outside of normal system-wide installation paths. Bear in mind that this isn't just a Debian problem, for decades Red Hat has also advised programmers not to rely on their /usr/bin/python for custom development because it is patched and tuned specifically for running system applications packaged for their distro and not intended as a general-purpose Python distribution. --=20 Jeremy Stanley --tmuudbl43ef5zkez Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEl65Jb8At7J/DU7LnSPmWEUNJWCkFAmCiX+VfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDk3 QUU0OTZGQzAyREVDOUZDMzUzQjJFNzQ4Rjk5NjExNDM0OTU4MjkACgkQSPmWEUNJ WCkOCA//WduEtU/MxoXIv3pZ6b7dJ5Rx6kwzddrBcY0CwH9w4C0omkE7TtPqwXoq jCSzsLoeFim8I2xtzMu7dRjfK0bWye5EH+iH65LuLCZCrezYro9JDSVYfW/x7fIA wMfHx0U3FsLKGdIF9MlSqVRxODBCWm9ahbxwLMPb3vV+oN0VitcS1qyWFD9vGA+/ XXTQ8WsXQQ3hm3MbVYT5CXZKx4PWQMuRox7VMRnbqpT+PAipPjf69PcD1PaAbHt7 XjuWuoniQoNBZ+gvdwRXkr8hAy3jxlqfGz05LsSpr+FKsYOjNU/oUIhCH6Byq2VX 9sfVjxBZkg4NP91f7Qn9J0d5fCX5e8R0OdVggis1ThjXOuV8hVtRQnMf/5kjnBz7 dJTUIRMeKwbic/Jx0KwkdXnn5CGxFpEgiFfhAgqBKxuuruJL7Tgp3vpov1KSowb3 uDp6LFQnz80vfN9PEWbY5jo8K0npIkZIf1GPG0Q+VFXDQtfg/4wvobyglzEt9iAe LtUff01+TN38HzJglgZuCcQXl0DYtWhBByZl1E6wmAYquxXB1Dq6t7LswuUmRUL6 lXxpNatCUgshsw6h/L/zrva53u0xLwk4Kr5D6KVjTT68dbHWlR+VEAu2EWlWdh1S UMdjJuiXK8y3QLslRkg7FIwBX+3AKYtN0KHfPye+lv/PY+hIln4= =1nZA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tmuudbl43ef5zkez--