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Subject: Re: upstream python concerns, python3-full package for bullseye
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Hi Elana (2021.02.11_18:12:34_+0000)
> - Stefano: Update python-policy to describe "python3-full".

I have prepared a policy MR for this:
https://salsa.debian.org/cpython-team/python3-defaults/-/merge_requests/8
It catches up on the current split situation, too.

diff --git a/debian/python-policy.dbk b/debian/python-policy.dbk
index 875b281..8b67f4a 100644
--- a/debian/python-policy.dbk
+++ b/debian/python-policy.dbk
@@ -233,17 +233,28 @@
 	  some exceptions.
 	</para>
 	<para>
-	  Excluded are modules that cannot be included for licensing reasons
-	  (for example the <literal>profile</literal> module), for dependency tra=
cking
-	  purposes (for example the GPL-licensed <literal>gdbm</literal> module),=
 or
-	  that should not be included for packaging reasons (for example
-	  the <literal>tk</literal> module which depends on Xorg).
+	  Excluded are modules that cannot be included for licensing reasons,
+	  for dependency tracking purposes (for example the GPL-licensed
+	  <literal>gdbm</literal> module), or that should not be included
+	  for packaging reasons (for example the <literal>tk</literal>
+	  module which depends on Xorg and the <literal>venv</literal>
+	  module which depends on wheels to bootstrap pip).
+	  Modules that would interfere with system package management (for example
+	  <literal>ensurepip</literal>, when used outside virtual environments) a=
re
+	  modified to print a message explaining the problem and recommending
+	  alternatives.
 	</para>
 	<para>
 	  Some tools and files for the <emphasis>development</emphasis> of Python
 	  modules are split off in a separate binary package
 	  <literal>python<replaceable>X</replaceable>.<replaceable>Y</replaceable=
>-dev</literal>.
 	</para>
+	<para>
+	  Modules only used for <emphasis>building</emphasis> of Python modules
+	  (e.g. <literal>distutils</literal> and <literal>lib2to3</literal>) are
+	  split into separate packages.
+	  The <literal>python3-venv</literal> binary package depends on these.
+	</para>
 	<para>
 	  Documentation will be provided separately as well.
 	</para>
@@ -255,6 +266,15 @@
 	  the <literal>python3.<replaceable>Y</replaceable></literal> package tha=
t installs
 	  the executable.
 	</para>
+	<para>
+	  A <literal>python3-full</literal> binary package must ensure that the
+	  entire Python standard library is available, including all modules
+	  split into separate packages (but excluding modules excluded from
+	  Debian for licensing reasons).
+	  This package exists for the convenience of python developers, and
+	  must not be used in dependencies by python module or application
+	  packages.
+	</para>
 	<para>
 	  The version of the <literal>python3</literal> package must be
 	  greater than or equal to 3.<replaceable>Y</replaceable> and lower than

SR

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Stefano Rivera
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