Path: csiph.com!4.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Stefano Rivera Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: upstream python concerns, python3-full package for bullseye Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Fri Feb 12 19:52:42 2021 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.443 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DIGITS_LETTERS=1, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.353, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, MD5_SHA1_SUM=-1, SARE_MLH_Stock10=1.66] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -4.6 X-Greylist: delayed 91650 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at bendel; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:52:30 UTC Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=debian.org; i=@debian.org; q=dns/txt; s=satie-ed25519.stefanor.user; t=1613159547; h=date : from : to : cc : subject : message-id : references : mime-version : content-type : in-reply-to : from; bh=l5tOVQUVqEZFHHsfedjnPtYo5XUuevuY44d+xlJk8sI=; b=/NWtFSZrSqve+nCFCAmvWWQ4KKe/PBuDEslrpz8a5lE3sOGg97OenxaYRdeznl/djf2qX fWwY9S4FVyhLCajAg== Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=debian.org; i=@debian.org; q=dns/txt; s=satie-rsa.stefanor.user; t=1613159547; h=date : from : to : cc : subject : message-id : references : mime-version : content-type : in-reply-to : from; bh=l5tOVQUVqEZFHHsfedjnPtYo5XUuevuY44d+xlJk8sI=; b=Hng1unAR6Mig+5gowo7xOhQYQePeQphkxbSsp5OmlSA8c5efIhqGL2vvzD6iVXta2/69Y SMz2mIuBdqa3ITideGNAEMjytTTIW/BFZEv0NSuf1ggEopzygGdGAvAqFe1NN73/jXzIfhR tE9J1mH8JvziZ5n4BIWQx+5/9jz+4kP7dhT1jhAxHX/yevIJekeaQtJWQRwQVnU2UHn0F6o SajW32BKxdHSKNeCSEYzHKuNuC5BrltVUQvDUtJ2PvQN2X+wFXXZhf0EAY6ANuuZsshZbgJ GZ868mFPojsS+yt2J2ud/tPlRTVoXpGG7DMSEWXWTh2b0B6JTTNsXMgJna6g== Mail-Followup-To: Thomas Goirand , debian-python@lists.debian.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Gpg-Public-Key: http://www.rivera.za.net/stefano.gpg User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18996 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20210212195227.23sicidnbyqwjj4y@satie.tumbleweed.org.za Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 38 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Original-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:52:27 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <20210212195227.23sicidnbyqwjj4y@satie.tumbleweed.org.za> X-Original-References: <20210211181234.GA4829@silverpine> <5c9a9365-20b9-c600-638c-6c74a024779a@debian.org> <20210212004259.dnrbzkfkszwqctpw@satie.tumbleweed.org.za> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:13213 Hi Thomas (2021.02.12_08:10:51_+0000) > > From your arguments above, it doesn't sound like the python3-full solves > > a problem you experience. So, I'm not sure why you'd be using it. > > I don't think I would. And to me, Python is already "full"(y supported) > without these. Though at least, adding "dev" in its name shows it's not > for our users. Yeah, I can see the argument for calling this python3-full-dev. On the flip side, in debian packaging, -dev implies C headers, and this is more than that. I think this would also be dealt with in the package description, I'd imagine something like: Python, the high-level, interactive object oriented language, includes an extensive class library with lots of goodies for network programming, system administration, sounds and graphics. . This package is a dependency package, which depends on the full standard library of Python for Python developers. Including modules used only at build-time, such as venv and distutils, and modules with complex dependencies, such as tk and IDLE. . This package depends on Debian's default python 3 version's full standard library (currently v3.9). BTW, I noticed some other vague descriptions while I was writing this example description. Fixed: https://salsa.debian.org/cpython-team/python3-defaults/-/commit/d1430d009688b9affcfa3b95ffcba4dcdcaf33ff SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272