Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!news.dns-netz.com!news.freedyn.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Michael Kesper Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: upstream python concerns, python3-full package for bullseye Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:00:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Fri Feb 12 09:58:04 2021 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.143 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DIGITS_LETTERS=1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.105, PGPSIGNATURE=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock10=1.66] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -4.6 X-Greylist: delayed 305 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at bendel; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:57:52 UTC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_zucker.schokokeks.org-27874-1613123565-0001-2" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18985 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/898d6952-7cfb-5395-d681-b60018ec602a@schokokeks.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 83 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:52:37 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <898d6952-7cfb-5395-d681-b60018ec602a@schokokeks.org> X-Original-References: <20210211181234.GA4829@silverpine> <5c9a9365-20b9-c600-638c-6c74a024779a@debian.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:13202 This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_zucker.schokokeks.org-27874-1613123565-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="wuQrUFZNAz3xmB7g3qYtm4bwIAvsWVvwR"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Kesper To: debian-python@lists.debian.org Message-ID: <898d6952-7cfb-5395-d681-b60018ec602a@schokokeks.org> Subject: Re: upstream python concerns, python3-full package for bullseye References: <20210211181234.GA4829@silverpine> <5c9a9365-20b9-c600-638c-6c74a024779a@debian.org> In-Reply-To: <5c9a9365-20b9-c600-638c-6c74a024779a@debian.org> --wuQrUFZNAz3xmB7g3qYtm4bwIAvsWVvwR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Am 12.02.21 um 01:11 schrieb Thomas Goirand: > Hi Elana, >=20 > Thanks for bringing this topic in the channel, and speaking with the > Python Steering Council, plus Mathias and Stefano. That's very much > appreciated. >=20 > On 2/11/21 7:12 PM, Elana Hashman wrote: >> - When users install Python, it should be easy to install all required= >> modules for what upstream considers core, including venv, distutils,= >> and lib2to3. >=20 > I understand that upstream python guys probably think the way to consum= e > python stuff is through venv, pip, and setuptools. I have a very > different view on this, and probably I'm not alone. >=20 > We (Debian people) indeed prefer if our user can enjoy a packaged > versions of things if they are available (and that's not specific to > Python). In such a packaged environment, venv and distutils are useless= , > as the distribution is taking care of all what these tools would do > without apt or dpkg. I do prefer my system to *not* have venv support, > for example. This seems to be in contrast to how Python gets used by many many people.= I think it would be nice if up to date packages of all Python software would exist in Debian but that's clearly not feasible. Using virtualenvs is expected virtually everywhere where Python is mentio= ned. My 2 cents Michael --wuQrUFZNAz3xmB7g3qYtm4bwIAvsWVvwR-- --=_zucker.schokokeks.org-27874-1613123565-0001-2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEpe7P9ZkJ20fmQgZ+YNFHBMPjLrAFAmAmT+UACgkQYNFHBMPj LrAtxwv/fO86mjVNs4FMPWZ+fWWbJ5f30ZneHLbEF2UVOH7+WWSd7qJ3VKglGkYG ALOdKjpRVj4Pj7ztMANDkcPED3EAM7YDC6STxwuc8H5OH3rRv/Lrv8YSg1CVDFzL TZA8qIuHLi3dfWrUsh1t+ZCfZ2HzHZEc2RDFBEjN/L0PjV5g55S7TG2GdkQ3VZJF Rr449gLqYF3WpQTGlBPdXfCJPFF8YbbZVxaXB3fm6cXxi9f8JPCM+cG6CQpK8e3W hslB/z1fnb4KWwQZP8PiazOk/LNuwunArtOoBa+fnEV939wDLfJSW+dbdRsqOUIx 1LqP1S8LjPwbhGAbM6bfYDYPnM/w4UcUqnd8j8ubIFFcg4qE9sOwie4B5LN1CWmm VhySKd/WaVqpoUdsLsSPgAA1keiKQscPu+GeMzyqM4hZV3kKtE/Q5ALKlvCC7bp2 adHjm2OfMh5zMg+X6jzUsC6vx2+3tv4n4ukUZhSQqZVwUwREaYefGKCThUSU2An3 HtdtI9yX =f1Nk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_zucker.schokokeks.org-27874-1613123565-0001-2--