Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Scott Kitterman Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Maintaining all of the testing-cabal packages under the OpenStack team Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:40:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Mon Jun 29 14:39:57 2020 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.2 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, PGPSIGNATURE=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -5.5 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201903e; t=1593441580; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type : from; bh=T7egMdSxR4pXdKWOPR4FfFxb9BwjEhjkV7QdN27ZTPM=; b=YWynKH2O/9xeX+wwZ5aCkOYVAqSUuHvyZOwoM9LPfk044Op+cXTHnqH2yU0V7nECnm5hI cEibUIVnEO+upYTDg== Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201903r; t=1593441580; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type : from; bh=T7egMdSxR4pXdKWOPR4FfFxb9BwjEhjkV7QdN27ZTPM=; b=Y4Q5lFVANem0gytXWlVIIa6EyC10MepD0a/HKtaUSvg3RyC6IdWsMcOlFPwzF1IXkQM8V 3xjUaNmAE51nYPaA0kRJZ5U/U0lWVEoQPMZui/xtncRIDcdOrxpKiKw88PTHJtFKRhQQKzT jjMVGYnIoYZBeLCmi/P1ylqfcv7jTlZcV5VETgvlCY57+ve+l1CruU5mCJg2I3KNmPnzbFr 5dmb6cX9v4sWS3rVNf4D+jcEuagXBTDoq3/X9SO3+TYxCag2MWd2lBluYENvx6X++lqejN1 YMtUuClVTAoUJ2UQW2/g9c74Z+ya49zFFHHBzqfpU/e2iCyqj5bReboHVbsQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1934440.YWli6qz7PM"; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18417 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/1738771.mfvIJeZz2q@zini-1880 Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 83 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:39:35 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <1738771.mfvIJeZz2q@zini-1880> X-Original-References: <10f32e46-e9e5-acbe-739f-fe563da025e3@debian.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:12696 --nextPart1934440.YWli6qz7PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Monday, June 29, 2020 10:17:57 AM EDT Scott Talbert wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >>> More over, mock debhelper was upgraded to 13, for no apparent > >> > >> reason > >> > >>> (yet another "cosmetic fix" that isn't helping?). I'd like to > >> > >> remind > >> > >>> everyone that, increasing debhelper compat version to a number > >> > >> that > >> > >>> isn't in stable, without a specific reason (like the need of a > >> > >> specific > >> > >>> feature that wasn't there before) is just annoying for anyone > >>> maintaining backports. That's truth even for when debhelper > >> > >> itself is > >> > >>> backported to oldstable (it's always nicer to be able to build a > >>> backport without requiring another backport at build time). > >>> > >>> nope, this is not true. Using the newest debhelper compat level is > >>> recommended, see man page. There is no reason to __not__ upgrade > >>> debhelper compat level. I will always upgrade debhelper in my > >> > >> packages > >> > >>> to the newest debhelper as soon as possible. Please newer downgrade > >>> debhelper in my packages again without asking. > >> > >> I don't agree this is best practice when backports are to be expected. > > > > I'm substantially less enthusiastic about bumping compat levels than > > Ondrej, but since debhelper 13 is available in buster-backports, > > backporting is unrelated to whether it's a good idea or not. > > Can you elaborate on other reasons not the upgrade the compat levels? > > Scott This is a matter of personal preference, but since the behavior of debhelper changes between compat versions, I prefer no to change it unless I have time to thoroughly QA changes in the package. This generally means I don't change it often. Unless there are issues with a specific compat level (hello compat 11) or the compat level has been deprecated, I tend to not to do it, but I'm generally pretty minimalist in my package updates. That doesn't mean someone else is wrong to do so if they've checked that package is correct after the change. 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