Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Sandro Tosi Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Maintaining all of the testing-cabal packages under the OpenStack team Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:00:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sun Jun 28 17:59:50 2020 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.397 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -5.5 X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=t+saBCfcRNHnG/Y/t59n6qCiHNzzMhop6qV0+6/TXPU=; b=Z4F2WsSBzZMA2G3JUrccjz+i5OK3wfknmc6/Xmjk/b0uWOggoMPnGHWt1EXmA7FTcn FMUqBhk3TlWx+fRA8+LEw7Ez8DMfUDqwRdCooQMoXqQBGHGxlKg+e/zd58pWwrpWSaIb tTx//gCB13PjOw6g1i8VbMm5TZ2EuZu9TQy8nGsl6ZkfKMzlwA3C3V3XlDBszWJ1DYHI c7L2hOQZX9UFlGFKYVJwPML1+GE9YlVSz0Bg1ZocOyHh8Yppjmk43W39qfHnTiE5ouTw s1Y9XalxyDJWR/289WhNAPXqAlB4ZO+Unfm1g6t8zfua5juWkzDLXGf1R8POSsO/VPbc fgyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wx86Lag4zX3Xd7HZtGUnrgMlZO1qB7rsSv8B4tLs01M3S15o4 xgpfdF+V3wK9/E3gde/iyO9xaxQFOHtxmUDMbQdzab2t8f0= X-Google-SMTP-Source: ABdhPJwL5+KUzb/bx6uI4bh4bg2t+ByqppQpKh7vqQA2/G8SNhJIrW8HCQe8nk8DSKKoMStm+9xCnkVV47QteCXRPII= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3797:: with SMTP id d23mr12427785qtc.25.1593367174730; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 10:59:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18402 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/CAB4XWXz-RT3H7RfNaB=SZ-329PmB12FV2xKwb5AMSfUSm9+B3A@mail.gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 37 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:59:08 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <10f32e46-e9e5-acbe-739f-fe563da025e3@debian.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:12684 > Is anyone from the team opposing to this? Yes, i'm against your proposal. > If so, please explain the > drawbacks if the OpenStack team takes over. 1. you're personally attacking Ondrej, who is one of the very few members of this team doing team-wide work, and that should be enough to reject it 2. this is clearly an hostile take-over (even if you frame it as a proposal), and that should be enough to reject it 3. you propose to only update those packages every 6 months, i dont find it appropriate: OS is *just* another software we package for Debian; is it complex? sure, but it's not special, and it doesnt warrant any special treatment. 4. you clearly want to have sole and absolute control of the packages in the openstack-team, because what would happen if a os-team member will upgrade one of those packages (in good faith) and things will break? will they get another "well done! :( " email from you? 4.1. You wonder why Ondrey "stopped caring" about OS, if that's the case, i could see why 5. consolidating packages *into* the DPMT/PAPT gives a lot of benefits, f.e. people basically got "free" handling of the py2removal process; moving packages out is actually detrimental for the python ecosystem (at least that's my opinion). Thomas, this is not the first time your temperament and aggressive behavior is causing some troubles, please reassess how you interact and work with other fellow contributors. -- Sandro "morph" Tosi My website: http://sandrotosi.me/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi Twitter: https://twitter.com/sandrotosi