Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Vincent Bernat Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: packaging DiscoDOS - a cli tool for vinyl DJs Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 17:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Paul Tagliamonte X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sat May 16 15:41:19 2020 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.598 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, PGPSIGNATURE=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -3.5 X-Greylist: delayed 512 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at bendel; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:41:09 UTC Old-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=BU3N6p XiGXmOSwO3zUGQrEkqLwxqJB8UEjXPaLiaFiw=; b=1uBmZKaX7YGOUKqilt58Tc x1Rr2YlovzLMC0LaZO41cipjQ/BdD5p4MAQv+v3YpIouKwwqpEB1m9dqYMCPDpEa GMtlcDamW57tFvJl4v5jPVKLI4z8EA/5NEwpSmBsQKOIskLhalS24QxDMCgkXplH 7AXufIHG8aapM7aP6YpBbTQlF4bBT6QnXVEhlGnXFXcVJQnRzzdh+5FSb3BnETeN gXAZsxlUH5jMbNiA/tdiuWEFrR9qUSCZ0eAWKJ4SJRnxOPrH+p4o5TvFF8Rt4UJ0 yxwAUoigY5AFqdcoF+rGZFT5o0UTVW5lkeiEF1+v9LZYZ0MDJ7n+96sB4QVaSf0w == X-Me-Sender: X-Me-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedruddttddgkeekucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesghdtreertderjeenucfhrhhomhepgghinhgt vghnthcuuegvrhhnrghtuceosggvrhhnrghtseguvggsihgrnhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrf grthhtvghrnhepgfdufeevfedtffdvjefhveelueevvdektdfgteejgeffkeegueejuefh kedvtdeknecukfhppeeltddrledurddvtdegrdekvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegsvghrnhgrthesuggvsghirghnrdhorhhg X-Me-Proxy: Organization: Debian Mail-Followup-To: Paul Tagliamonte , Thomas Goirand , debian-python User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18300 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/m3v9kvlwtt.fsf@debian.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 60 Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: Thomas Goirand , debian-python X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 17:32:30 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <632c8798-9b3c-197f-2680-a31553a4e091@debian.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:12599 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=9D=A6 16 mai 2020 08:09 -04, Paul Tagliamonte: >> > Would it be fair to say that your main objection is that Ubuntu has >> > much higher popularity than Debian >> >> This is what I regret, indeed. It's been like that for many years, and >> the trend isn't reversing. We should ask ourselves why. From my point of >> view, I see it as a problem of marketing more than OS content or >> technical excellence. > > No, I think they do things better. Their installer is much better, and it= 's > a *lot* easier to switch. They had signed UEFI images before us, > and they enable things like firmware for wifi cards. This allows > Ubuntu to be easier for non-technical users to install computers > without understanding main vs contrib vs nonfree, how to disable > SecureBoot or what a firmware package is. We have lessons > to learn about usability and we've not learned them, and remained > stubborn about it. Also for servers: - official cloud images far before us (kudos to Zigo for bootstrapping the effort on our side) - PPA - HWE kernels We still have some things better than Ubuntu: - backports - security support - not converting everything to Snaps =2D-=20 There is a great discovery still to be made in Literature: that of paying literary men by the quantity they do NOT write. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEErvI0h2bzccaJpzYAlaQv6DU1JfkFAl7AB48ACgkQlaQv6DU1 JfnOCw/+MoESERNhygPCSXn2IDQRQewpFfTIJQGOaaT8EZsU4Ff970ypFwsOenVn Ae66Jprqx2tFQCyEgplc0B4Uy8Oxgbc9Dnl2cz6LSCUCXHsLtKeRQrVjGiupoFti c0wNTRyjXdw+/FFc/Yu5EQw9tWCPdjp24ImyXHIB5cA15gmFhs31HkCg5ud4kZ8c A0UOByDboqdf9vASpbpDgrouU/u6b8Eosd+2EgAXF9YMBZ5xof6rlL83wqHc98sp X1x7GoHVaI7sAAfHL0WDUTnzD9WI1bcVP/Ihi67zZKA98kjzsnQtqVi7Zpti68GS WMm1QibeJqPRG/OmNsmXMbFgjxLSfYvpBB3mKWuLlaQPVRgNpsUKdvEgfz5BpIqH WVqn6PaQbWX3RoLH318ZumGjZo83Y2Z5quxhY/uBaROtahjTJ9z8B7hIKkqU5zoo v50lUr78YtSbt4bLSr7R4T3kNRfa+F9c4gt44KCmSB6RyzeNlGSJOc6YcgBXRzto WyEbgEf2ZpM9MYQ9suEmRgLL3TBl4n2Rc9r+68aziHvDZxdCHaJdQ4gaTopiReqh 5ruKAJzW6Vi13evSsfvNv2IYP300TE4KFl/w+A1DomZPjD0BDHxBsRN7WbI2BgLC lDslsqZz3bUi307WqtwJKHT29gc3f13/1JYR0XuOOZCQ3tjgwyU= =9YEw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--