Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: comp.theory,alt.crackpot Subject: Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:49:40 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:49:40 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="4042628"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com comp.theory:107052 alt.crackpot:2 Am Wed, 12 Jun 2024 18:25:14 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 6/12/2024 6:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/12/24 12:57 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 6/12/2024 6:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 6/11/24 11:21 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/11/2024 9:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 6/11/24 7:23 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 5:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 1:12 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/11/2024 6:47 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/24 12:31 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/2024 10:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/24 10:06 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/24 11:54 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I guess you are admitting that this means that "D >>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly simulated by H" is NOT a possible equivalent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement for the behavior of the direct execution of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> input as required by the Halting Problem, so you admit you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been LYING every time you imply that it is. >>>>>>> It turns out that by the generic definition of a decider what the >>>>>>> directly executed D(D) does is not any of the business of H. >>>>>> The problem is that you don't understand what a xxxx-decider means. >>>> As I pointed out, there ARE finite-string transformations that do it, >>>> that is a UTM. >> Why, because the claim isn't about the simulate by H, but the behavior >> of the difectly executed D(D), or its simulation by a UTM. > H(D,D) must compute the mapping from its finite string input > transforming [it] into the behavior that it > specifies using finite string transformation rules. > *H DOES NOT simply guess what you think it should do and do that* It has a *specification* it must fulfill. -- joes