Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Semantic properties of finite string inputs Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 03:29:20 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 64 Message-ID: <20251030201848.941@kylheku.com> References: <10dvtt6$3oelt$1@dont-email.me> <20251030130542.120@kylheku.com> <10e0hjp$3vv2j$1@dont-email.me> <20251030134059.844@kylheku.com> <10e0jui$k95$2@dont-email.me> <20251030140640.464@kylheku.com> <10e0mgt$1c04$1@dont-email.me> <20251030170723.145@kylheku.com> <10e15kf$5afs$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 03:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="67f69a6029461694c69bb71eda96437f"; logging-data="204565"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Rb3PN2ECW7MLkBnozMM20HSjAxLNxuKs=" User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IodpWsNqzRuhiEiHX8K9rMUJj5M= Xref: csiph.com comp.theory:134447 On 2025-10-31, olcott wrote: > On 10/30/2025 7:22 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >> On 2025-10-30, olcott wrote: >>> THERE IS A DIFFERENT FUCKING SEQUENCE OF >>> INSTRUCTIONS DIP SHIT !!! >> >> While the overall sequence of instructions in the entire scenario is >> different between H(D) and UTM(D), if we just at /just/ the instructions >> of the simulated D, those are the same. > > No not even that. D is simulated by H more than once > and only simulated by H1 once. > >> In the case of H, the >> simulation is left incomplete, > > In the same way that the simulation of > > void Infinite_Recursion() > { > Infinite_Recursion(); > return; > } > > void Infinite_Loop() > { > HERE: goto HERE; > return; > } > > is left incomplete in that an infinite simulation Yes, those are also incomplete. More steps of them can be performed; but of course they can never be completed. D is a terminating procedure of which a simulation is left incomplete. >> but the instructions up to the point >> where it is are the same as those for UTM(D), and so from there it >> continues to be the same. >> > > Not at all. at the point where D calls H(D) they > diverge. You have not showed with code that they do. I have showed with code that they don't. Showed beats not showed. >> You obviously don't understand this and are taking guesses >> without making any specific references to specific code. > > That is such a ridiculously stupid thing to say that > I cannot imagine that it is not simply a damned lie. Then stop giving evidence for it with every empty puff of air you push from under your keyboard membrane. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca