Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zaidy036 Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,alt.os.linux,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:55:14 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Zaidy036@air.isp.spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:55:16 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e8ce3bfaddd6a9bc4515cd56ac811238"; logging-data="481279"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18EjvLQz15aLm0f4RWyhex+meXbqEp2Yyk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/+J8giFGeyzmV/XEthhGCY3lvQY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:145475 alt.os.linux:81332 comp.mobile.android:147727 alt.comp.os.windows-10:183437 On 4/9/2025 12:24 AM, Your Name wrote: > On 2025-04-08 11:06:55 +0000, Carlos E.R. said: >> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>>>>> >>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific >>>>>> Apple ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >>>>>> Only Apple. >>>>> >>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>>>> >>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it >>>>> up. You >>>>> claim to be clever. Be it. >>>>> >>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does >>>>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> I don't care who does it. >>>> >>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software >>>> that no >>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. >>>> >>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >>>> type. >>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only >>>> Apple does. >>>> >>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. >>>> >>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >>>> And that's what's bad. >>> >>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >>> >>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >>> >>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? >> >> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any >> Apple. >> >> What I say is that if there is a lock, > > There is no "lock". Purchases from Apple's App Store are linked to the > Apple user ID, but that's simply because not all apps on the App Store > are free, so they are all linked to an user ID. If you've bought an app > or downloaded a free app, then you can easily re-download it on any new > device (assuming it works on it) at no cost simply by using the same > Apple user ID. > > If it's a free app, then any other user can download it using their own > Apple user ID anyway. > > It is of course just the usual anti-Apple, know-nothing trolls like > "Marion" making a massive mountain out of a grain of sand. > > > > >> the Apple software may be gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). > > Free means you don't pay any money for it. It has nothing to do with > "freedom". > > > >>  Free means I am free to take the source code, remove the lock, >> recompile, and sell it myself. With variants in the details by the >> licensing. > > That is "open source", an entirely different thing. Plus "open source" > is not always actually free, since in some cases you actually still have > to pay for it. > > or Family connection