Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!kreme.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lewis Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 04:19:26 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Miskatonic U Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 04:19:26 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: kreme.eternal-september.org; posting-host="43e58105050fec0447dbd4d2dbffe68e"; logging-data="19766"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+XCj/XYOgMdp3EJu68vvc8" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NCklA/bwInyYrVoaKCkAQt8aTw4= X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1z X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Mail-Copies-To: nobody Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:133070 In message <4HrKG.41441$zX4.10639@fx41.iad> Alan Browne wrote: > On 2020-06-29 15:41, Lewis wrote: >> In message Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >>>> In message Alan Browne wrote: >>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>>>> >>>>>> A.  Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >>>> >>>>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >>>> >>>>>>    by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >>>> >>>>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>>>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>>>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>>>> of their product integration. >>>> >>>> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >>>> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. >> >>> I doubt it very much, >> >> Of course you do. >> >>> but please post definitive proof. >> >> Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... >> 8? years? > So point out the one article that proves it. You have been given information that you've evidently dismissed or ignored, Seems a waste of my time to educate you, Instead, I will correct your disinformation. > All I find is what core design they've used at various revisions. Then you need to learn to read better. Apple is designing their own chips. Your denial of this is absurd. > Nothing says they're not using the source description files from ARM > (with changes as they see fit as this is a licencable form of ARM). > As ARM continue to push the ARM designs Apple certainly want to use > the latest and best. As you have been told many times, Apple has an architecture license, which means they can license only the ARM instruction set. Which they do. They are not the only ones doing this, it is how Qualcomm designs their ARM chips as well. > Quoting Wikipedia: Are you fucking joking? -- "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "Are you pondering cheesesticks?"