Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!kreme.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lewis Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:41:06 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Miskatonic U Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:41:06 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: kreme.eternal-september.org; posting-host="f8921e4bc1df5bb61102c024c21c3fc9"; logging-data="7084"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/s73ow1ihRObiVzkii7XGZ" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:s/nW0KgqkS7hHEjVcmwNf3JNybE= X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1z X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Mail-Copies-To: nobody Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:133049 In message Alan Browne wrote: > On 2020-06-29 09:00, Lewis wrote: >> In message Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2020-06-28 19:51, Your Name wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-28 19:44:22 +0000, Alan Baker said: >>>>> On 2020-06-27 3:41 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote: >>>>>> FACT (not bullshit marketing) >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be clear since Apple users tend to be bamboozled by MARKETING... >>>>>> o It's not "Apple Silicon" in the Mac ARM so much as ARM TSMC silicon. >>>>> >>>>> Except for the little fact that Apple designs the chips themselves... >>>> >>>> Yep. Techncially ... >>>> >>>> A.  Apple Silicon chips are not ARM chips anyway. They are designed >> >>> ARM do not make chips. The license designs. >> >>>>    by Apple, *based on ARM*, and manufactured by TSMC and probably >> >>> They are ARM and Apple pay ARM a license fee for each chip. That Apple >>> have added functionality is beside the point since many licensees add >>> some functionality to their SOC's - if not as much as Apple do - as part >>> of their product integration. >> >> No, this is very wrong. Apple is designing their own chips from the >> ground up. They are licensing the ARM instruction set, not ship design. > I doubt it very much, Of course you do. > but please post definitive proof. Google is your friend. Apple has been designing their own chips for... 8? years? -- wants to give, it's giving people what they need to get.'