Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Apple Plans to Announce Move to Its Own Mac Chips at WWDC [ARM, TSMC, 5nm, A14] Date: 28 Jun 2020 12:29:35 GMT Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net EBnYPL7RnHsZSO3MvMz0OAQoCJ+uqNCi0R70gQuBjmkdjmzE+Y Cancel-Lock: sha1:l5lS56cXBBdljkBnAN3+UEMdjnc= X-No-Archive: Yes User-Agent: Usenapp/0.76.4/l beta for MacOS Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:133016 On 27 Jun 2020 at 22:57:48 BST, Bud Frede wrote: > Alan Baker writes: > >> On 2020-06-22 5:20 p.m., JF Mezei wrote: >>> On 2020-06-22 20:03, Alan Baker wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-22 4:43 p.m., JF Mezei wrote: >>>>> On 2020-06-22 16:29, nospam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> it's much more than 'arm-based chips'. >>>>> >>>>> From the compiler's point of view, the code that runs on the CPU is ARM. >>>> >>>> Which doesn't make chips designed by Apple any less "Apple silicon" than >>>> running Intel's instruction set makes AMD's chips. >>> >>> I never implied such. >> >> Actually... ...you kind of did. >> >>> The fact remains that Apple has implemneted the >>> ARM architecture and as such, the code that runs in the CPU runs the ARM >>> instruction set, as generated by the compiler. This does not diminiosh >>> the huge performance boosts that Apple has been able to get from its own >>> implememntations year after year. >>> >>> >>> And you're going to have that, but P.A.Semi which Apple acquired to make >>> the Axx chips and all the huge performance boosts came from Digital. The >>> head of P.A.Semi was one of the lead desigtners for both StromgARM and >>> Alpha projects at Digital. >> >> People change jobs all the time. >> >> The chief designer of Windows NT was the the former designer of VMS >> > > Cutler was "a" designer of VMS, but not "the" designer of it, former or > otherwise. He did evidently lead the team creating NT, although the > Microsofties kind of took the silk purse he had worked on and made a > sow's ear out of it. Yes. He designed the file system properly and they grafted the 1970's drive letter bollocks onto it. -- Tim