Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Gassee joins the fray Date: 21 Jan 2015 02:40:23 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <1lyi997.xex7dh1r8ghuqN%nmassello@yahoo.com> X-Trace: individual.net iw5N7ZluxbhNVZ5k5xnwdwM8qvUMEh1vfP8XfgbZ+VPhRIV0Zq Cancel-Lock: sha1:4aoHtwvIErCubXPlUCx3opQ0fvM= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:68584 On 2015-01-21, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2015.01.20 10:43 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2015-01-20, Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2015.01.19 19:01 , Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2015-01-19, Neill Massello wrote: >>>>> on Apple's software disarray. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> The fact that there are bugs is not evidence of a downward trend in >>>> quality. Logic fail. >>> >>> It may be convenient that there is no public quantifying of it - that >>> does not mean the opinions of the various developer/bloggers is wrong. >> >> "Look, I found another bug" is not evidence of a downward trend in >> quality, no matter how many times you repeat it Alan. > > I'm not the one saying it. Developers with long history with Apple are > saying it. The world is full of idiots. I'm a developer on Apple platforms since 1986. I'm not saying it. And I'm interested in evidence. So far, ZERO evidence of a decline in quality has been given. >>> What is true is that Apple's R&D has ballooned. [1] >>> >>> Feature implementations have ballooned (as has complexity). >> >> As has happened several times in the past. > > Snipping out the explosion of R&D growth is convenient, huh? Nothing was snipped out. R&D expenses have little to do with software quality. You're blowing hot air. >>> Developers are griping - loudly. Much more loudly than ever (while >>> acknowledging that there have always been bugs - now they are more >>> prevalent and getting in the way more often. >> >> So far nobody has shown a trend. They all, like you, say "things weren't >> this bad before" without a shred of evidence showing that to be the >> case. Selective memory doesn't equate to evidence of a downward trend. > > Regretfully we don't have the Apple bug tracking report database. I can assure you Apple has it. > We won't any time soon. Then maybe you should stop talking about things you clearly don't know much about. > But when a collective of developers are feeling > pain and voicing it, it's not because they don't have other things to do. Selective memory does not equate to a trend. All you have to do to prove your mistaken theory is show the trend. So far, you haven't been able to do that. Until you do, there is no reason for me (or anyone else with a brain) to believe your assertion that software quality is in decline. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR