Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod Speed" Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:31:54 +1100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <061120130840230696%foo@bar.com> <061120131050133286%foo@bar.com> <061120131213192462%foo@bar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net jNa6FGt13jDZqay8xYanfwsEJpI7iplS22KxYBBENs7zCuD2c= Cancel-Lock: sha1:4aMDQs0bEGZH6VPomC6J/wFzexo= In-Reply-To: <061120131213192462%foo@bar.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Xref: csiph.com comp.mobile.ipad:28744 comp.sys.mac.system:51940 Michelle Steiner wrote > Bert wrote >> Unless the data that you store on Apple's "cloud" servers >> is completely devoid of any private data, they're collecting >> it, even if it's simply a side effect of storing it. > There's a difference between storing and collecting. For example, > if I rent a storage bay at a storage company, I'd be storing stuff > in it, but the storage company wouldn't be collecting it. More utterly mindless silly hair splitting, particularly with automatic systems that move the data from your system to theirs. That is no different to a storage operation that can COLLECT what you want to store with them from your place and move it to theirs if that is what you want them to do.