Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Rod Speed" Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:29:02 +1100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <061120130840230696%foo@bar.com> <061120131050133286%foo@bar.com> <061120131123031500%foo@bar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net nyLeWOpGM37ToWC/ajhDEwPENVi1RE71mNY7Fz2UMYCrOIhIg= Cancel-Lock: sha1:ncOsZN3Z+ar4nX962MnjuuFPRKs= In-Reply-To: <061120131123031500%foo@bar.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Xref: csiph.com comp.mobile.ipad:28743 comp.sys.mac.system:51939 Michelle Steiner wrote > Rod Speed wrote >>>>> Quite interesting. Apple is on the side of privacy. >>>> Apple is on the side of Apple. If they were truly on the side >>>> of privacy, they wouldn't be trying to force iCloud on people. >>>> Because, you know, the first step in protecting your customer's >>>> private information is to not collect it in the first place. >>> What makes you think that Apple is collecting >>> private information on people? >> They obviously are when you can only do some things >> using icloud that used to be possible by usb and local >> wifi when they know they get lots of requests by govt >> for that private information. > No, it is not at all obvious, but paranoids can't see that it isn't > obvious, Nothing to do with paranoia when they have just announced the THOUSANDS of requests for information that they have got from govt for that private information that they have complied with. And that doesn't even list the requests that they have got that they have complied with that they aren't even allowed to even say they have complied with in totals etc. > and Apple haters will accuse Apple of it on general principles. Separate matter entirely to what they clearly do with at least some of that private data they do have from their users. >> They could allow you to synch via usb or local wifi >> and tell people that care about the privacy of their >> private information to do it that way if they care. Closing your eyes to that and deleting if from the quoting won't make that very fundamental fact go away.