Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michelle Steiner Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Apple's Report on Government Information Requests Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 07:55:22 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <071120130755223360%foo@bar.com> References: <061120130840230696%foo@bar.com> <061120131050133286%foo@bar.com> <061120131900495303%star@sky.net> <061120132330077937%star@sky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="8b819003531285591ae70ba618133493"; logging-data="6708"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19YQb/6QICiknG9QGTmufqB9WttUleK8xc=" User-Agent: Thoth/1.9.0 (Mac OS X) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IPQ2HGimfmWdaS6XCzWXnn+oTfw= Mail-Copies-To: nobody Xref: csiph.com comp.mobile.ipad:28762 comp.sys.mac.system:51980 In article <061120132330077937%star@sky.net>, Davoud wrote: > A well placed agent, however valuable, will tell you what he wants > you to know; he has an agenda. After you have debriefed him he will > get on the phone and talk about the stuff he doesn't want you to > know. And a well trained and experienced agent handler (AKA case officer) will be able to debrief an agent to get the information he needs. Problem is that until the AH is experienced enough, he won't be able get that information if the agent is deliberately withholding it. One of the great benefits of SIGINT and ELINT is that they can get information that HUMINT is unable to obtain. And of course, there's also imagery to add to the mix. None is more important than any of the others; they're all needed to form a complete intelligence picture.