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From: Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Can't receive mail with a POP account with Yosemite
Date: 1 Aug 2014 14:58:04 GMT
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On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <c407nnFq2f4U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-07-31, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> > In article <c3tfmbF8g57U4@mid.individual.net>,
>> >  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-07-30, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > If this just started with Yosemite, I guess you should report it to 
>> >> > Apple. This is the whole point of being a beta tester, right? You're 
>> >> > expecting problems, so you can report them to Apple and they can fix 
>> >> > them before the official release.
>> >> 
>> >> What would this bug report be, though - that Mail should not be using
>> >> APOP? To me it seems this is working as designed, and the real issue is
>> >> that the *server* is not accepting authentication properly, no?
>> >
>> > I don't have Yosemite, but in Snow Leopard, Password and APOP are 
>> > separate choices in the Authentication menu. If the APOP option is gone, 
>> > then you can submit a feature request that they add it back. If it's 
>> > still there, but she hasn't chosen it, the bug would be that it uses a 
>> > different authentication mechanism than the one you configured.
>> >
>> > It may be working as designed, but the design could be wrong. If 3+3 
>> > returns 5, it doesn't become correct just because you document it in the 
>> > processor manual.
>> 
>> I'm just thinking if Mail is *designed* to use APOP whenever the POP
>> server indicates that it is supported, the bug report will simply be
>> marked as "working as designed". It's worth a shot either way, though.
>
> But since the authentication menu still contains APOP as a separate 
> option, as Michelle confirmed it does, they shouldn't override the 
> user's choice.
>
> It's fine to have an option where the application figures it out 
> automatically, like they do for the outgoing port number. But they 
> shouldn't treat the Password option as "APOP or Password".

Agreed.

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