Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Date: 14 Jun 2014 04:44:28 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <9eWdnVQgKbylfg3OnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <110620140934273352%michelle@michelle.org> <0ZWdnTjR9K4q2QfOnZ2dnUVZ_vEAAAAA@giganews.com> <1ln8dss.x7ctmsxcilz7N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> <1ln8kr4.1xylof119q3onyN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> X-Trace: individual.net ykMZ8UO0Ay8MkHfuNYNpswn+yAXAiN6fgFaiSRL6fwKN1dvhxt Cancel-Lock: sha1:oP2j0vqlTjQUlJKlu1BQoyH71GQ= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:22864 comp.sys.mac.system:60894 On 2014-06-14, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > >> On 2014-06-14, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: >> > Jolly Roger wrote: >> > >> >> On 2014-06-13, Tim McNamara wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:16:23 -0400, Alan Browne >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2014.06.13, 14:04 , Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> For your reference, records indicate that >> >> >>> Alan Browne wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> I'll pledge cash when he pledges skin in the game. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> What does that even mean in this context? >> >> >> >> >> >> That you take risk on yourself. That is you invest your time and do >> >> >> such a bangup job that we'll all be willing to buy the product. You >> >> >> don't even need to manage that part - toss it at the Apple Store. >> >> > >> >> > Alan, I am curious as to what you do for a living. Did you get your job >> >> > by showing up somewhere and starting to work, hoping you'd do such a >> >> > bangup job that they'd pay you? Did you stop working at some other job >> >> > to do this, giving up half a year's income to do so? Did you have a >> >> > mortgage to pay, a family to provide for, car payments, utilities, >> >> > groceries to buy? Were *you* willing to take the chance that no one >> >> > would pay you for your time and effort? >> >> > >> >> > 'Cuz all those things are what you're asking Doc to do so have "skin in >> >> > the game." If you didn't have the balls to take that risk on yourself, >> >> > then you have no standing to expect someone else to do it. >> >> > >> >> > It's easy to be an ass. Maybe you should set the bar higher for >> >> > yourself. >> >> >> >> His entire argument so far is petty and weak. >> > >> > I think it's clear Doc already has 'skin in the game' (horrible saying >> > IMO - ugg :-D ) given he's posting here using the software he's working >> > on. But he's too focused on monetary compensation (1) for Signal to ever >> > see the light of day, IMO. That's the real problem - not Alan's trollish >> > focus on Doc's marketing, and trying to pick largely meaningless points >> > in what he's said. >> >> Strongly disagree. There is no problem. The only "problem" I see here is >> the one folks like you and Alan are trying to manufacture. > > You really think this venture had a snowball's chance in hell (I guess > I'm through sugarcoating it, heh) of succeeding? Whether I think it will succeed is irrelevant. Same goes for you. Same goes for Alan. And words of discouragement aren't needed either. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR