Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Date: 12 Jun 2014 02:44:35 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <9eWdnVQgKbylfg3OnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <110620142311143475%timstreater@greenbee.net> <110620141718485042%michelle@michelle.org> <1ln4szb.skzhggllmmyoN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> X-Trace: individual.net +ZveqGDPRCnD5NzqzYjKJQGKw7Nt1+JUnfxGfEwgfo4Ku+xpvj Cancel-Lock: sha1:EL4B3C5LzDzK1ALpqzG+E5u4jNA= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:22807 comp.sys.mac.system:60828 On 2014-06-12, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Michelle Steiner wrote: > >> In article , wrote: >> >> > > He's asking to be paid to do some development. If not enough people >> > > here agree that the development is required, not only does it not get >> > > done, but no-one is out a penny. >> > >> > I recall someone mentioning their credit card had already been charged. >> >> Indiegogo is holding it in escrow; if he doesn't reach his goal, we get >> our money back. If he reaches his goal, he gets the money minus >> indiegogo's commission. > > I don't have any issues with Doc beyond his ignorance of major Mac > Usenet clients such as MacSOUP. But I fail to have seen the point in > this entire crowdfunding exercise. Did anyone - _anyone at all_ - really > believe the tiny number of Mac Usenet regulars left in 2014 could or > would fund a USD$20,000 project? > > It was an exercise in futility, unless the rationale was to show that a > market doesn't exist for a crowdfunded, unfinished, extreme Alpha > quality new Mac Usenet client, with the majority of features as yet to > be determined, let alone implemented, and the chances of actually > getting a finished product merely a promise (maybe a solid promise - but > still only a promise at some unspecified future time if everything goes > to plan). > > FWIW I applaud the intent (if I have correctly understood said intent): > the first new modern OS X Usenet client with a decent feature set that > can appeal to power users (i.e. not another Unison). > > I just think that this would have more hope of ever getting anywhere > near user's hands, if it was a hobby part time project eventually sold > as shareware. At least that way there could be a realistic development > path, and some financial reward for the developer. Probably not USD$20K, > at least not for a good long while - assuming it's a good product that > sells steadily over the years. But let's face it - a quick reward of > USD$20K was never going to happen, especially not upfront. Not for a Mac > only - not even iOS (though I understand it could be in the uncertain > future, were it funded) - Usenet client. > > Sorry to be a downer, but let us be realistic here. It was never going > to fly :-( And if Alan and pals had been able to leave it at that, this thread would be much shorter than it is. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR