Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Date: 8 Jun 2014 20:25:36 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <1lmqa29.k4rshchnvytzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net yvu0V9Cl2D8v1hQs/aQIKwLGn+yYSHN5u/lxSLlDVDxgc8zInz Cancel-Lock: sha1:pOUQVr+TuNCwfo/gvCvtXNDWhSE= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:22553 comp.sys.mac.system:60529 On 2014-06-08, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2014.06.07, 13:41 , Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote: >> For your reference, records indicate that >> Alan Browne wrote: >> >>> Mr. Doc wants everyone to fund his new reader because (according to him) >>> there is nothing for Mac in the Mavericks era. >> >> You are being intellectually dishonest. > > You're the one claiming there is no usenet for Mac. Talk about > intellectually dishonest! You are so transparent. Deliberately interpreting a marketing slogan literally so that you can claim it says something the author did not intend is being intellectually dishonest, Alan. If you really believe that others won't see right through what you are doing there, you must think people are really stupid. And you'd be wrong. > I don’t want “everyone” to fund >> it; I purposely only want the people who *can* see the value to fund it so >> that we can get back to having a FREE newsreader available that was >> designed *for* the Mac. And a fair shot at running on iOS, too. >> >> And there is not, nor has there ever been, Usenet as a first-class protocol >> on the Mac or any other platform. Name me a single other newsreader that >> has factored out the NNTP bits for reuse. Show me anywhere I can use curl >> on the command like to fetch a news: or nntp: URL. If it exists, I haven’t >> seen it. > > And few people care.i You seem to be a glaring exception. Why do you care so much? > There are a number of Mac solutions - their names > have been bandied about and they all do the essential things that usenet > clients must do. > > If the world were clammoring for a perfect, "first-class" usenet client > with all the items you name it would a) exist or b) be worth developing > now and charging later. What does it matter to you if he wishes to test those waters for himself? How does him doing that inconvenience you, exactly? >> *That* is my intent when I talk about bringing Usenet to the Mac. Unless >> you want to continue to appear to be a wing-nut, you have to acknowledge >> this reality. Or keep going on like you are, and filtering becomes a >> higher priority. :-) > > The wing-nut here is he who is trying to raise cash up front for > something with marginal additional benefit v. what is in the market. I gotta say, to me, that's hardly as bad as being the one who is so invested in railing against something that has no direct influence on him either way that he is willing to argue and rant about it for days on end. What I'm having a hard time figuring out is why you can't seem to just ignore the effort if you don't see any value in it, rather than putting this much energy into fighting it. It's very strange. I'd love to understand it. > Satisfying the needs for things like "curl on the command line to fetch > news" is not something very many people will actually use to yabber away > on usenet. So what? Why does something you see little use for bother you so much? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR