Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Date: 7 Jun 2014 16:12:05 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: <1lmqa29.k4rshchnvytzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> <27idnRJKcuU6Yw_OnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@giganews.com> X-Trace: individual.net 8sHc3ARzKe/b30xc2M5cJQi2d2R8YQGxnL9olep5kUHmWhEA1p Cancel-Lock: sha1:2ibXXWzieyfZSmrKQOC8/waQqlw= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:22431 On 2014-06-07, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2014.06.07, 10:16 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2014-06-07, Alan Browne wrote: > >>> The strange behaviour in that case would be why did it screw up the >>> first line, but not in the 2nd para? >> >> No, the strange behavior is all on your shoulders. You have asserted >> that the characters in question were placed in the message nefariously, > > Since they appear in the first para and not in the second para with the > same wording, it does appear curious. No explanation has spewed forth. Suggesting he did it on purpose for nefarious reasons is not the same as simply being curious. >> and you have not yet proved your assertion - yet you continue to rail > > So prove to me why they appear so in the first para and not in the second? I don't have to prove anything to you, since it is you who made the assertion to begin with. What I can say is what I have already said: he created and posted the message with alpha-quality software; the character in question is the very same one Cocoa applications substitute for smart quotes, and it's possible the reason the replacement failed in the second paragraph is due to a bug in said alpha-quality software. >> against it as if it were true. Nice try at skirting the real issue, BTW. > > What real issue? That he claims there is no Usenet support for Mac? No, that you are being unreasonable. > That he wants to Toll now and Toil after? Not even sure what you mean by this, but it surely sounds like you are slinging an insult his way to me. Do you have some personal problem with Doc or something? > That the amount requested is unrealistic (as others have noted as well). > >>> I'm glad you brought up iOS - that is something that COULD benefit from >>> the development of a good newsreader. So the gentleman in question >>> should perhaps focus his effort there. >> >> I'd like to see what he has in mind for both Mac OS and iOS, personally. >> I see absolutely no need to discourage what could become a good thing >> for the community. You seem to feel differently, which I think is >> strange. > > I just believe, since he has no capital outlay (material or tooling) > that he should toil now and toll later. Or at least reduce his launch > incentive to scotch and cigars level - say $2500. *shrug* I really don't care what he does with his money or time, other than my own selfish interest in seeing someone create a well-designed reusable NNTP framework and Apple Usenet client. > His current approach is a couple months salary with no guarantee of > delivery of a practical product. I'm not doubting his ability but as > any southern gentleman with a shotgun will tell you, you feed the > birddogs after the hunt. Not every human on this planet has the same motivations as you. > If the market case is as strong as you, he and some others seem to > believe then, again, toil now, toll later. I haven't made any assertions as to the marketability of this potential product. > If the current Mac offerings are so horrible as many of you say, then he > should have no problem getting donations, sharepay or license fees once > it's out there and proven. I personally don't consider the Mac offerings to be all that horrible; so you'll have to take that argument up with someone else. That said I will naturally agree that there is much room for improvement in the Mac Usenet client space. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR