Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps Subject: Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Date: 7 Jun 2014 14:16:14 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <1lmqa29.k4rshchnvytzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> <27idnRJKcuU6Yw_OnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@giganews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sNg9LUIxCU5uXIueMPWcIgdnmZXzZQSsgiujGdLHOMFSkVH9j6 Cancel-Lock: sha1:GEF3hPsFc85GheRGr66si4nlJtg= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:22422 On 2014-06-07, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2014.06.06, 22:41 , Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2014-06-07, Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2014.06.06, 20:02 , Tim McNamara wrote: >>> >>>>> He should develop it on his own and then market it as donation or >>>>> license ware. That's the best way to see if he's "right". >>>> >>>> Why? Is he breaking some kind of law doing it the way he's doing it? >>> >>> Of course not. However given that he's presenting with deception rather >>> than truth, I'd be very wary. >>> >> [snip] >>> >>> Claim 2 that he makes in an underhanded way: In his first post the OP >>> went to some length to show how "broken" clients were with his opening >>> sentence which I'll quote here: >>> >>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working ... >>> >>> yet, in the same post, he manages to post "I've" w/o issue in the 2nd >>> paragraph (quoted again): >>> >>> I've done my best... >>> >>> So why did it break in his contrived first para, but not in his other >>> para. Did he forget to insert the widdle bug string? >> >> You may not know this, but the Unicode right single quotation mark >> character (2019) that you are so upset about is actually the very same >> "smart quote" character that the default Mac OS X configuration >> automatically replaces whenever you type the ASCII apostrophe character >> in a Cocoa application. Given that his message was posted (and probably >> composed) within a brand-new alpha-quality application more than opens >> the possibility that the characters appeared due to Cocoa's built-in >> replacement mechanism, and may have experienced a use case where some of >> the ASCII apostrophe characters did not get replaced with smart quotes. >> Why on Earth someone would immediately jump to the conclusion that >> something nefarious is going on here is beyond me. Again, it seems >> fairly disingenuous to me, and makes me wonder why you are so dedicated >> to railing again what could be a net benefit for the Mac/iOS >> community. Very strange behavior to me... > > The strange behaviour in that case would be why did it screw up the > first line, but not in the 2nd para? No, the strange behavior is all on your shoulders. You have asserted that the characters in question were placed in the message nefariously, and you have not yet proved your assertion - yet you continue to rail against it as if it were true. Nice try at skirting the real issue, BTW. > I'm glad you brought up iOS - that is something that COULD benefit from > the development of a good newsreader. So the gentleman in question > should perhaps focus his effort there. I'd like to see what he has in mind for both Mac OS and iOS, personally. I see absolutely no need to discourage what could become a good thing for the community. You seem to feel differently, which I think is strange. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR