X-Received: by 10.52.142.72 with SMTP id ru8mr17319143vdb.0.1401895674778; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!j5no1129274qaq.1!news-out.google.com!k18ni4454qav.1!nntp.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:27:54 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.30.0.110427 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:27:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal From: George Kerby Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Upcoming New Newsreader for the Mac: Signal Thread-Index: Ac+ACYt4YNm6EaCcgE6P8eIw8YxfGA== References: Mime-version: 1.0 Lines: 106 X-Trace: sv3-ApSu3OxXK+qOk0YBJKZThOPc9o8kkrw1qgEYtn+h6KtODckacjvOVYsZ5KmpDF2NrPqKDEQyrCdl2vf!Rs15cG2/OWPDxIbn2NBSOw5rJ3YmBZPQLNZuQd5wClUbEY9DcQ5OaXUNG5o0x+tvX8QWPIIxZYhy!Sg== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5906 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Received-Bytes: 6208 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2911010681 Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.apps:22226 comp.sys.mac.system:60128 On 6/2/14 10:32 PM, in article bv4ttnFb07nU1@mid.individual.net, "Jolly Roger" wrote: > On 2014-06-03, Alan Browne wrote: >> On 2014.06.02, 17:47 , Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2014-06-02, Alan Browne wrote: >>>> On 2014.06.02, 10:20 , Darrin Doc O'Leary wrote: >>>>> I’ve mentioned here before that I’ve been working on a >>>>> newsreader due to the death of MT-NewsWatcher on Mavericks. >>>> >>>> "Signal: Bring Usenet Back to the Mac" >>>> >>>> Unison: still works fine. >>>> Thunderbird: still works fine. >>>> others: still work fine. >>> >>> I love how people come out of the wood work to bash anything new just >>> because they can't bring themselves to open their minds and embrace >>> change. We can see this happening with the WWDC announcements Apple made >>> today. It'd be pretty silly to claim that none of the above Usenet >>> clients could use improvement in any way. >> >> Your tagline of "Bring back usenet to the Mac" is complete rubbish since >> there is no obstacle to usenet on the Mac. At all. > > That tag line wasn't my creation, and I don't necessarily agree with it > or care about it, considering it's a very small and insignificant part > of the original message. Competition is good, and all Mac Usenet clients > have problems. As a software developer who has thought about creating my > own Usenet client at various times in the past, the idea of someone > creating a reusable NNTP framework is intriguing. But even if I didn't > have any interest in it, what you won't find me doing is bashing the > person who announced it! > >>>> Usenet is a dying medium and an app won't revive it. >>> >>> I plan to continue using it, as are others. >> >> Me too. But where it once was a growing thing it is now a thing in long >> decline. Many reasons for that including the various social groups and >> hobby groups and other web based group activity has blown usenet out of >> importance. >> >> An app is not going to reverse that. > > I couldn't care less about reversing the decline of Usenet. And I would > still like to see what Doc comes up with, if he gets that far in his > endeavour. > >>>> In the meantime, Thunderbird is more than adequate and free. >>> >>> Thunderbird does have problems (some that probably will never be >>> fixed), just like others do. >>> >>>> I also have Unison 2. But prefer the simple layout of TB. >>> >>> Do you also prefer the way Thunderbord treats Unicode text, because it >>> sure seems to have fucked up the text in your reply. I imagine Signal >> >> It only fucked up whatever crud you put in there to make your point and >> only on that one line. Why did it mangle "I've" in the first line, but >> not in the 2nd paragraph? > > I didn't write the line, and I don't care how or why Thunderbird fucked > it up. My news client rendered it just fine. My point, again, is that > there is room for improvement. > >> Other than that clever self-serving bomb you put in that one line: > > I haven't placed any bombs, and I'm not the OP, so I have a hard time > seeing how you think my reply to you is self-serving! I simply noticed > the malformed text in your reply and commented about it. I have nothing > to gain. > >> .I'm looking at the text as I posted it and it's fine. >> .I look at how you replied to it and it's fine. >> .I look at it on Unison and it's fine. >> >> .I look at how it's recorded on Google Groups and it's fine. (and Chrome >> didn't screw up on your bomb). >> >> Of course, to me, all I need to see is text. And if something is >> mangled as above, I don't care as long as I can read the intent. > > My point is that there is room for improvement. Your reply made it seem > like you were discouraging someone for trying to improve things. That's > the only thing I object to. > >>> might just do a better job here. And I imagine it might just do better >>> in other ares as well. It certainly sounds like the design will be >>> better, and the general community would certainly benefit from a >>> well-designed framework such as being suggested. >> >> It won't benefit me - and I doubt I'm alone. > > And if you don't want it, you're going to be damn sure to knock it for > everyone else? > > If you don't have anything nice to say... It NEVER has had anything nice to say: it's all about him.