Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news-1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!news.informatik.hu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "osmium" Newsgroups: sci.crypt,sci.logic,comp.programming,comp.lang.php Subject: Re: Information Theoretically Secure requirements scheme for improving and implementing intelligent encryption requiring human intervention or decision to be valid. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:48:14 -0600 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <7bc7d5ba-8edc-4c67-be6b-7eefc730e266@ui9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <1aeMs.59793$H5.54101@newsfe28.iad> X-Trace: individual.net FjJK7oPMfNhECLNz7by/uQO3zjbrVMoV1aTgFY8Rcudd6qYWNQaY5fObbzhTqwqTN1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:388IzePObcc9PJPiViPBddxJ4eE= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Xref: csiph.com comp.programming:2897 comp.lang.php:8132 "Jerry Stuckle" wrote: > On 1/24/2013 12:27 PM, unruh wrote: >> On 2013-01-24, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 1/24/2013 12:10 AM, Martin Musatov wrote: >>>> >>>> The techniques all listed above and the intellectual property rights >>>> associated with them are (C) Copyright 2013 Martin Musatov. They may >>>> be used or adapted by any entity provided partial credit is provided >>>> to Martin Musatov and is documented as well as when this occurs in >>>> conjunction with a non-public donation to a charity equal to the value >>>> of the contribution. >>>> >>> >>> And not worth the bandwidth they took to process. >>> >>> BTW - you can copyright text (including code), but you cannot copyright >>> a concept. If your concept were worth anything, anyone could use it at >>> any time without any credit to you or any payment to anyone. >>> >>> If you want to protect a concept you need to patent it. >> >> Except you cannot patent concepts either. You can patent things or >> processes or designs, but not concepts or ideas. >> And you cannot copyright "intellectual property". The category >> "intellectual property" refers to things which a copyrightable, >> patentable or trademarkable. It is not a category which has any >> independent definition beyond the definition of those categories. >> It is an entirely artificial concept with the word "property" used in a >> purely mataphoric sense. >>> > > In the United States you can, anyway. I don't know about the rest of the > world. You can what? Can patent a concept? He just explained that you can't!! I know, because I tried it, and our team of crack patent attorneys said that you can't. The things you patent must be more tangible than a concept. Like a set of logic drawings, microcode, a program. I have patents on both hardware and microcode and one of the best ideas I ever had was, it was explained to me, was *just* a concept. Sorry, I didn't get the dollar that was the standard award by a corporation to the inventor. > Many computer algorithms are patented. For instance, the RSA algorithm is > U.S. Patent 4,405,829. I don't see that as any different than what the op > is proposing. My server does not have enough history so I can see what was proposed/asserted/blabbed about, so it is possible the notion/concept/whatever/ could be *converted* into something that could be patented.