Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!.POSTED.WoJf78yi8OdQ8i4tCX+9Qg.user.gioia.aioe.org!not-for-mail From: Louis Valence Newsgroups: comp.programming Subject: Re: Everything I say is false. Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:40:34 -0300 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 56 Message-ID: <865zkrcrvh.fsf@example.com> References: <86v9svmn9m.fsf@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: WoJf78yi8OdQ8i4tCX+9Qg.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (windows-nt) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ekJnFFzIYqfJshdi0vN0ocoTf1U= Xref: csiph.com comp.programming:10263 Richard Heathfield writes: > On 11/10/2019 14:20, Louis Valence wrote: >> Richard Heathfield writes: >> >>> On 09/10/2019 20:10, mikegonta@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Everything I say is false. >>> >>> That's not true. >>> >>> But *some* things you say are false, and the above is an example. >> >> Fun with logic. :-) > > Indeed. Here's an age-worn and very familiar paradox (bear with me here): > > Side A: > +------------------------------+ > + The sentence on the other + > + side of this card is true. + > +------------------------------+ > > Side B: > +------------------------------+ > + The sentence on the other + > + side of this card is false. + > +------------------------------+ > > If you now turn the card on its side and inspect the edge with a > powerful microscope, you will see the following words, carved in > carbon atoms individually arranged by people with far too much time > and equipment on their hands: > > +------------------------------+ > + Everything written on Side A + > + and Side B is bloody stupid. + > +------------------------------+ > > Paradox resolved! I'm slow, so bear with me. Either A is true or false. Assume it's true. Then B must be true. But if B is true, A cannot be true. Okay. Then assume A is false. Then B must be false. If B is false, then A must be true. Contradiction. So we can't satisfy both statements together with either truth-value. Alright. I see it. Here's perhaps my favorite version! --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- What is the probability that you'll randomly answer this question and get it right? Check all answers that apply. (a) 25% (b) 50% (c) 60% (d) 25% --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I think this one is really interesting.