Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kaz Kylheku <221-501-9011@kylheku.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.programming Subject: Re: 'Leap Second' to Be Added on New Year's Eve This Year Followup-To: comp.programming Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 06:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 49 Message-ID: <20170107221219.331@kylheku.com> References: <3sbl6ctmsoc5ab9vpkfr9mna7lri6hnipb@4ax.com> <1a1bdc63-1959-520c-01db-ccd6cf3dfe45@verizon.net> <20170107145130.79@kylheku.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: OGJi3KNpFOhM58UHZwXj0w.user.gioia.aioe.org X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.c:101277 comp.programming:7289 ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.programming.] On 2017-01-08, James R. Kuyper wrote: > On 01/07/2017 05:57 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >> On 2017-01-07, Caver1 wrote: >>> On 01/04/2017 04:32 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: >>>> On 01/04/2017 11:34 AM, James R. Kuyper wrote: >>>> >>>>> As an >>>>> atheist, I certainly deny that Christ was divine, or even divinely >>>>> inspired. >>>> >>>> I don't deny that Christ was divine. I can't, considering that both >>>> "Christ" and "divine" are only religious words which have no meaning >>>> outside that belief system. The words would have to MEAN SOMETHING for >>>> that to be denied. >>>> >>> >>> Just because you don't believe in the concepts that they >>> refer to doesn't mean they have no meaning. >>> You know exactly what they refer to so they even have >>> meaning to you. >> >> "outside that belief system" > > Noted, and rejected: you don't have to share someone's belief in > something in order to understand the meaning of that belief well enough > to say "I don't believe in that". It's not that "Christ" and "divine" > don't have meaning to non-believers. They do have a meaning; what they > lack, in the opinion of the non-believer, is a referent. They have a meaning inside the belief system. Thinking inside the belief system to grok the meaning doesn't require one to be a believer. >> I know what that refers to because I'm able to put myself >> into that scope. > > You should also be able to put yourself in the scope of understanding > the meaning of religious beliefs that you don't share, despite the fact > that you don't share them. Bingo. However, that meaning consists of connections entirely inside that system. The only connection between those words and the real world is that they are related to certain ritualistic behaviors, and cultural artifacts. Those connections are self-referential.