Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Tim Watts Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Cloud hosting - good groups or forums? Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 07:55:24 +0100 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net Y8BthiiVIRf480bt4SoyNgl5m6Gn0964Y80WjRnuA804kO/FbW X-Orig-Path: squidward.dionic.net!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:xQXY/CmPQeKdYwoM+D9TJZNL30g= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:14805 On 20/05/15 00:05, Bruce Sinclair wrote: >> >> (Who said outsourcing saves money?) > > > Ooo! ... ooo ! I know this one ... pick me ! ... > > > .. the outsourcers (of course :) ). > And a lot of people bang on about Amazon AWS/VPC/whatever-todays-product-is-called. But from what I can see and tried: 1) If the host dies, you need manual intervention to get you VM back; 2) No IPv6; 3) No VM console access (linuux VMs dump their output to a bufffer, but no direct input possible). 4) The most obtuse pricing model under the sun. 1+3 are killers and seem to preclude using amazon to run "some servers that need to stay up". I rely on 4 very occasionally to fix a machine (usually fsck threw a wobbler). 1 is just poor. 2 is not so urgent for us but does not inspire much confidence... 4 could be defended - you pay for what you use - but it makes estimation of costs very difficult, even when you have a year's worth of usage stats from VMWare. So I am not sure why people rave so much over Amazon...