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On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:05:55 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:25:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/03/16 15:45, Bit Twister wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:05:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/16 20:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
---snip--
>>>
>>> I can not prove that offhand, but I believe there is a fetchmail
>>> option to have the mail remain on the server or not, your choice in
>>> the fetchmail config file.
>>>
>>>
>> Not with IMAP. The whole point of IMAP is that all the clients synch to
>> a single online server space.
> 
> 
>> "IMAP was designed with the goal of permitting complete management of
>> an email box by multiple email clients, Therefore, clients generally
>> leave messages on the server until the user explicitly deletes them"
> 
> 
> What can I say. Pretty sure my original .fetchmailrc had nokeep which
> removed the email from gmail.com after download, and I configured
> thunderbird to use localhost. Now that my send emails fail I changed
> .fetchmailrc to keep, which leaves the email at gmail.com and
> thunderbird for gmail.com. Example:
> 
> # cat ~/.fetchmailrc
> poll "imap.gmail.com" with proto IMAP
>  user "justme@gmail.com" there with password "a secret" is justme here
>  options ssl sslcertck fetchall stripcr keep
> 
> 
>>> Replying or sending in that methodology no longer works because my
>>> mail is being rejected because reverse dns look up fails because my
>>> MTA is not in a registered domain or some such thing.
>>>
>>>
>> MMm. you need a smart host then.
> 
> I do not know what that means. All I know was mail used to go through
> using postfix generic with
>     bittwister@wb.home.test justme@gmail.com
>     bittwister@localhost.home.test  justme@gmail.com
> and all reply emails would go back to gmail.com as desired. Now the
> messages are rejected.
> 
> 
>> Oddly enough, getting a virtual private server for a fistful of
>> dollars, and a small fist at that - is no big deal and is probably te
>> easiest way to have your own domain and email setup entirely under your
>> control, independent from any ISP,  and accessible how you want and
>> where you want.
> 
> Yeah, forgot about that. I had looked into it until I got postfix
> generic working and forgot about using a domain of my own. I toggle ISP
> whenever I can save money, so I had already moved all my email addresses
> to free mail servers.

The above complex elaborate description shows how the big
US corparations are entrapping us to become another generation of
<lucky strike addicts>. 

In the 90s you could have the EmailTextFrames lying on your
screen: received, written and ready to send, directory of in box ....;
and with just-2-klux-each could eg. send-that-one, fetch-that-one .....

Now with the US commercial giants vying to capture as many as possible 
locked-in victims, you face the following:-----
Hi **,
  Someone just tried to sign in to your Google Account **** from an app 
 that doesn't meet modern security standards.
Details:
Monday, March 28, 2016 2:58 AM (GMT)
  We strongly recommend that you use a secure app, like Gmail, to access 
 your account. All apps made by Google meet these security standards. 
 Using a less secure app, on the other hand, could leave your account 
 vulnerable. Learn more.