Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E. R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2026 20:08:34 +0100 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <18dee4b6cab427fa$865$2574533$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> <11bg381$1bjd2$1@dont-email.me> <11bhv61$1bjd2$2@dont-email.me> <11bi77v$20c1p$1@news.xmission.com> <11binqk$1bjd2$3@dont-email.me> <11bmnvg$36mvk$1@dont-email.me> <11bp7nd$139t9$2@dont-email.me> <1omdnboFafC6TX33nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> <11brekh$139ta$4@dont-email.me> <11c529k$nak9$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net JhsiwNuZLV1gH7a/+24zsg665w+FUfL93KI4/t5YBGlC7wjuJO Cancel-Lock: sha1:hxGbbHaYHx5Vk/0LZvURk+UBqRo= sha256:GvF9x05l7B/KPrtuAhD2LQbbXhlTqk3Dfl5qUAIYDtM= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <11c529k$nak9$1@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:94861 comp.unix.shell:27078 On 2026-10-31 16:42, Janis Papanagnou wrote: > On 2026-10-31 11:49, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> [...] So, when I arrived to Madrid for my second year (I think that >> was in the 83), a friend told me that the computer building that was >> shared by all in the campus had switched from cards to terminals, and >> that I had just missed it. >> >> And he described me the nightmare that first/second year students had >> to suffer to get their stack of cards punched and executed. Could take >> days. > > Strong words. And absurd time scales. They certainly don't match my > observations. All of us did our punch cards based coding often just > during the pauses between the lectures; the basic code maybe in an > hour, the fixes - usually just one or two iterations needed - done > during the "cum tempore" 10 minutes. But most programming in those > early beginner courses also wasn't too voluminous, to be fair. > > What certainly was painful was the (for obvious reasons) inherent > non-existence of a or key on the punch devices. > (They had a useful "Copy" key (?), though.)[*] I don't remember if my friend punched his own code, or had it punched. Would depend on how many punch machines they had for lowly students. I remember his saying that he had to submit his stack of cards to a clerk, then given a paper slip to collect the results another day. ... -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.