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On 2026-10-30 20:24, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/29/26 12:27, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 19:33:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The closest I ever came to using an IDE was the symbolic debugger that
>>>>> came with Lattice C for MS-DOS.  Simple, effective... and gone.
>>>>
>>>> I missed that one although I did use MS C after they bought Lattice and
>>>> developed it further. I will say for its era Microsoft C had excellent
>>>> hard copy documentation.
>>>
>>> I agree with that last sentence. In the 80's the manuals for their
>>> C and FORTRAN were very good, and obviously inspired by the layout
>>> of DEC's manuals.
>>
>>     You are correct - manuals/docs were EXTREMELY good
>>     for such stuff "back in the day". Found a manual
>>     for "Aztec C" (great !) from the old days ... WOW ! ...
>>     literally bit-level shit in there in case you needed
>>     to hyper-optimize something. Clearly the people who
>>     wrote the doc also wrote the compiler.
>>
>>     More VOLUME of docs these days ... but "As Good" ???
> 
> Hardly.  Most manuals back in the day had a section titled
> "Theory of Operation".  I really miss that.


Talking of manuals, I find large man pages very difficult to use, 
specially when you need something specific. No clickable table of 
content, no clickable index. Info pages are somewhat better.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.