Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E. R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: [OT] energy Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2026 14:06:57 +0200 Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: <118cshs$2v7m0$1@dont-email.me> <119go8s$3enav$1@dont-email.me> <119tpjn$fb6$1@dont-email.me> <119u26h$3glq$5@dont-email.me> <119ulfj$bgfv$1@dont-email.me> <119vkuc$mtek$3@dont-email.me> <11a0f86$11hcr$5@dont-email.me> <11a28ck$1n9ag$2@dont-email.me> <11a2iug$1qr6j$3@dont-email.me> <11a2neo$1qr6j$14@dont-email.me> <11a2o1k$1qr6j$17@dont-email.me> <11a551l$2msl7$7@dont-email.me> <11a5885$2nipf$13@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net naqrYIoj1vLGFKDqJtfozAW+5LKZT5SCiufzTnVO845tB41q8+ Cancel-Lock: sha1:RX0FSGi6JOhwGQUuXU14VyVLidI= sha256:iEldZ+BIEZaYDL8TbDpNasBkajG2oFdrneKLNqRfk+Y= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <11a5885$2nipf$13@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:93179 On 2026-10-07 12:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/10/2026 11:14, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-07 11:57, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> On 2026-10-06, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-10-06 14:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 06/10/2026 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>>>> Exactly confirms what I said. nucleår >19%. >>>>>>> Solar 18.4% >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your cognitive dissonance is showing... >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL. Just one percent. Will soon be surpassed. Add all renewable >>>>>> sources, and the figures change drastically. >>>>> >>>>> And that's why your grid crashed >>>>> >>>> >>>> LOL. >>> >>> As it has been said countless times, the reason why the grid crashed was >>> fossil fuel plants balking at doing what they were supposed to do as >>> part of the grid. >> >> Indeed. Even the nucs failed. >> > No, they didnt. The were disconnected when the grid crashed They did not add inertia to the system, they bailed out earliest. > >> They were paid to do regulation. They failed to do it. >> > They wer UNABLE to do it They failed. At least one was not working and was not replaced. > >>> >>> If REE actually had a grid planned in a way that did not rely on fossil >>> fuels and nuclear, it'd probably have been resilient against this >>> already back then. >>> >>> But fossil fuel plants brought down REE and REN. Great job! >>> >>> There was a flaw at an Iberdrola solar power outfit? Yes, but such flaws >>> and missteps can affect any power generation medium - as illustrated by >>> fossil fuel plans failing to contain *that very same situation*! >>> >>> Thankfully, I think solutions are known and are being implemented, so if >>> there's a next time, fossil fuels won't bring down power in all of the >>> Iberian peninsula. >>> >> >> Yes. We need renewables sources to implement inertia in the inverters, >> for starters. A regulation might be required, and some batteries or >> big capacitors on sites. Alternatively, big batteries elsewhere. >> >> And it is being done. > > Can't be done without extra tech. Batteries. Lots of BIG batteries. > No one wants to pay for them. > It is been done, nevertheless :-p > Cheaper to run a gas plant  on spinning  reserve not generating. > > BUT the renewables won't pay for it, so they blame that gas plant when > they fail > They are indeed paid to do it. One of them charged the money and did not regulate. > >> I don't know > No. you don't > > > -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.