Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E. R." Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: OT - TV Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 13:44:23 +0200 Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: <118cshs$2v7m0$1@dont-email.me> <118du8n$3b2m6$1@dont-email.me> <118h414$fbrd$1@dont-email.me> <118k6e4$1ktct$1@dont-email.me> <118tq5q$q32r$3@dont-email.me> <118u782$vq5m$1@dont-email.me> <118uin4$14ad6$1@dont-email.me> <11901s3$1i9j2$1@dont-email.me> <119qdsf$2rcmr$1@dont-email.me> <119svuj$3mtpo$1@dont-email.me> <119vjv4$mskl$1@dont-email.me> <119vm1m$mtek$8@dont-email.me> <11a0e8d$11vos$1@dont-email.me> <11a0g0l$11hcr$7@dont-email.me> <11a197j$1de5v$1@dont-email.me> <11a28fj$1n9ag$3@dont-email.me> <11a2ipe$1rdor$1@dont-email.me> <11a2lrf$1qr6j$9@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net C1U0F8GQDI3skAbr6waRZgXCUPQpwCqYAwgBMNX8ricxQyCoa5 Cancel-Lock: sha1:budOT9+IjsTpvatTtPyLldgW2hk= sha256:pXpdVjZqz34KetWhoTe/jkFrWtJjm+3Ye15I9C/GBD0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <11a2lrf$1qr6j$9@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.os.windows-11:35836 alt.comp.os.windows-10:196657 comp.os.linux.advocacy:723348 comp.os.linux.misc:93027 On 2026-10-06 13:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/10/2026 11:59, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-06 12:33, Paul wrote: >>> On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>>> [] >>>>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around >>>>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff). >>>>>> >>>>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills >>>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you! >>>>>> >>>>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for >>>>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and >>>>> the same with wind powered ships. >>>> >>>> But wind powered ships were not abandoned. >>>> >>> >>>   09-06-2024 >>> >>> "The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first >>> delivery across the Atlantic" >> >> I was thinking of those :-) >> >>> >>> https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered- >>> cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic >>> >>> Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system. >> >> >> Jules Verne described ships that used both sail and steam, depending >> on the circumstances. >> > Jules Verne wrote fiction. Did you not realise that? Certainly, but those ships were actually common. > > James Blish wrote stories about cities flying through space powered by > 'spindizzies'. > >> But current ships use "mechanical" automated sails. It would not do >> needing a hundred sailors. The purpose is often to reduce cost, less >> fuel needed. >> > OK. so how exactly is the power generated to runb these 'mechanicval' > devices? A diesel engine? > So what? >> >> Similarly, there are many solar plants and wind farms in Spain, that >> serve the practical purpose of actually reducing the electrical bill. >> > > ROFLMAO. No they aren't. They increase it. > When they aren't going bankrupt or crashing the grid... > ROFLMAO. Propaganda. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.