Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E. R." Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: OT - TV Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 13:29:59 +0200 Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <118cshs$2v7m0$1@dont-email.me> <118du8n$3b2m6$1@dont-email.me> <118h414$fbrd$1@dont-email.me> <118k6e4$1ktct$1@dont-email.me> <118tq5q$q32r$3@dont-email.me> <118u782$vq5m$1@dont-email.me> <118uin4$14ad6$1@dont-email.me> <11901s3$1i9j2$1@dont-email.me> <119qdsf$2rcmr$1@dont-email.me> <119svuj$3mtpo$1@dont-email.me> <119vjv4$mskl$1@dont-email.me> <119vm1m$mtek$8@dont-email.me> <11a0e8d$11vos$1@dont-email.me> <11a0g0l$11hcr$7@dont-email.me> <11a197j$1de5v$1@dont-email.me> <11a28fj$1n9ag$3@dont-email.me> <11a2l7o$1qr6j$7@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net K9mICsoNO4Z+nmvKt17MrgRosSLESZ28+4DALxsrvCdxzhsbj7 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ep5K27vDGmhKY3zID4KwDCZ2daw= sha256:EwzhaPXpmNwBqyXf6yhZzMwQE+AP02XIMJ1081wigCE= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <11a2l7o$1qr6j$7@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.os.windows-11:35835 alt.comp.os.windows-10:196656 comp.os.linux.advocacy:723347 comp.os.linux.misc:93026 On 2026-10-06 13:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/10/2026 11:09, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> [] >>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around >>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff). >>>> >>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills >>>>> >>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you! >>>> >>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for >>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.) >>>> >>> >>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the >>> same with wind powered ships. >> >> But wind powered ships were not abandoned. > > They were. What fantasy land are you living in? > > By the 1950s there were not even clipper ships left > > A tramp steamer was overall just as fast on average, because it was not > subject to wind variation, and it only need a couple of stokers and an > engineer, not a crew of dozens to manage the sails > > In the end, once economics are not distorted by government subsidies, > fossil fuel always beats wind or solar. > > Abengoa. The biggest bankruptcy in Spains history. Solara4. Google says: Yes, the bankruptcy was directly related to renewable energies, but it was caused by how the company financed that transition rather than a failure of the technology itself. Solara4 was Portuguese. > > And once fossil prices rise. nuclear is cheaper than either. > > > > -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.