Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E. R." Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: OT - TV Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 12:59:26 +0200 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <118cshs$2v7m0$1@dont-email.me> <118du8n$3b2m6$1@dont-email.me> <118h414$fbrd$1@dont-email.me> <118k6e4$1ktct$1@dont-email.me> <118tq5q$q32r$3@dont-email.me> <118u782$vq5m$1@dont-email.me> <118uin4$14ad6$1@dont-email.me> <11901s3$1i9j2$1@dont-email.me> <119qdsf$2rcmr$1@dont-email.me> <119svuj$3mtpo$1@dont-email.me> <119vjv4$mskl$1@dont-email.me> <119vm1m$mtek$8@dont-email.me> <11a0e8d$11vos$1@dont-email.me> <11a0g0l$11hcr$7@dont-email.me> <11a197j$1de5v$1@dont-email.me> <11a28fj$1n9ag$3@dont-email.me> <11a2ipe$1rdor$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net GdBQ379GSlc8sDx3OlSVaw2GVZBi9MKylFub7faswY7hfnJkoU Cancel-Lock: sha1:h2/GaS3FGXlXLIFJuK1SV35r+SY= sha256:ObQk4xcj4zhFBf/pmpIiQzcjB9o2/e9EhH8m1D4MNNE= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <11a2ipe$1rdor$1@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.os.windows-11:35830 alt.comp.os.windows-10:196651 comp.os.linux.advocacy:723343 comp.os.linux.misc:93018 On 2026-10-06 12:33, Paul wrote: > On Tue, 10/6/2026 6:09 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-06 09:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 05/10/2026 23:44, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/10/5 16:33:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 05/10/2026 16:03, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> [] >>>>>> There is also a lot of scare mongering going around >>>>>> Fear sells  (all sort of stuff). >>>> >>>> Definitely. And the inability of the average Joe to compare risks. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> There certainly is no other reason for windmills >>>>> >>>> Oh, you won't give up, will you! >>>> >>>> The Dutch used them for pumping, and the English for milling, for >>>> centuries. (As did other nations, but those are the stereotypes.) >>>> >>> >>> And both abandoned them the moment steam engines came along, and the same with wind powered ships. >> >> But wind powered ships were not abandoned. >> > > 09-06-2024 > > "The world’s largest wind-powered cargo ship just made its first delivery across the Atlantic" I was thinking of those :-) > > https://www.fastcompany.com/91185144/the-worlds-largest-wind-powered-cargo-ship-just-made-its-first-delivery-across-the-atlantic > > Unlike older vessels, it has a backup power system. Jules Verne described ships that used both sail and steam, depending on the circumstances. But current ships use "mechanical" automated sails. It would not do needing a hundred sailors. The purpose is often to reduce cost, less fuel needed. Similarly, there are many solar plants and wind farms in Spain, that serve the practical purpose of actually reducing the electrical bill. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.