Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E. R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 13:42:47 +0200 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <2dadnRI_-Lkck8H3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <6a5d55d9@news.ausics.net> <113lhdo$1aeq8$1@dont-email.me> <113m1rg$1g23p$1@dont-email.me> <113mrla$1mo7o$4@dont-email.me> <113p5rd$2fnb0$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net MqgFXVBS2I35PMKR52EkIgVkOKJQxX7R3fpF82Ar84gpmTrF7r Cancel-Lock: sha1:oLgPIBIdD151R+zSElri9Px/SW8= sha256:aFZrfYeUEKcxjmWs+Vf+QGcKtmGLGAbBK5lqa5VT1vA= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <113p5rd$2fnb0$1@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:88975 On 2026-07-22 03:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 11:40:03 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the >>> extremists) is what does not mesh well with science. Islam of yore >>> did mesh well. Something changed in the centries from then to now. > > The interpretation changed. > > When the Arabs conquered Alexandria, and found the pitiful remnants of > what had once been the Great Library (what was left after the > Christians had done with it), the conquering general sent a message > back to the Caliph, asking what to do with with the remaining books. > > The message came back: “Either they agree with the Quran, in which > case they are superfluous, or they disagree with it, in which case > they are undesirable. In any case, destroy them.” > > And then, just a couple centuries later, the thinking changed, and the > Islamic Golden Age of scholarship and learning -- the origins of > science as we know it today -- began. Then, a few centuries after > that, the thinking changed again, and the Golden Age ended. > > And just about at this point, the thinking in the Christian world > changed, too. And so we got the Italian Renaissance -- founded on many > of the ideas from the older Islamic learning, don’t forget. It was the > Islamic world that had kept the old Greek learning alive (and was > busily adding to it), while the Christian idea of “learning” was > making endless over-decorated copies of their holy book. There was a time in the Christian world where doctors were frowned upon. Either god gave you health, or not. You just prayed to get well. Doctors should not interfere. They could take a page out of the bible and put it inside the wound. > > Moral: You can take exactly the same holy teachings, and selectively > use parts of them to justify entirely opposite and contradictory > intellectual positions. We saw that happen with both the Muslims and > the Christians. And it happens with Jews as well. > > Religous argument is circular argument. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;