Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Sorry, Mac Fans: Linux Is Actually the Better Windows Replacement Date: 27 Aug 2025 04:09:59 GMT Lines: 118 Message-ID: References: <108em7q$2n7im$1@dont-email.me> <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me> <108grck$37ilo$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net it6PANrGEev3slZ4c8DGlg0M3YXpGjs3CUyksuvdXcKsLHYvYk Cancel-Lock: sha1:YyQLLAGYJqBi5sqpi8r5By6uXNo= sha256:+Hk45gFJinLM+Tejvwdmu0jPizLgpul460OlGN11svw= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.164 (UA6; f8e650a6; Linux-6.16.3) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:696063 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:1237 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:136870 On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 20:24:12 -0700, % wrote in : > vallor wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 22:12:52 -0700, Alan wrote in >> <108grck$37ilo$2@dont-email.me>: >> >>> On 2025-08-24 21:11, vallor wrote: >>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:23:05 -0700, Alan wrote in >>>> <108flaa$2vcpq$2@dont-email.me>: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-08-24 02:44, Joel W. Crump wrote: >>>>>> On 8/24/2025 5:32 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> But no, buying a fucking Mac is not the answer.  It's too >>>>>>>> expensive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And lacking in expandability and versatility. All Apple’s machines >>>>>>> are basically just glorified laptops now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the OS may have licensed the “Unix” trademark, but it doesn’t >>>>>>> work the way people expect traditional “Unix” systems to work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ask one of the original Bell Labs crew, Ken “Mr Unix” Thompson: he >>>>>>> has given up on Apple and switched to Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Right, it's a freakin' joke, if you ask me, there are *selected* >>>>>> functions of macOS software that outshine the competition, but the >>>>>> typical home user is better off with something else, because of the >>>>>> ridiculous expense of the Apple platform, even if they like macOS, >>>>>> it's just throwing money down the toilet.  Maybe they have money to >>>>>> burn, I could understand that, but it would never click with me >>>>>> even if I did have a billion dollars, because my brain doesn't work >>>>>> that way to prefer Apple's quirkware. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> "Ridiculous expense"? Please. >>>>> >>>>> Yes: my MacBook Air (M3) cost me $2,200CAD, but based on my >>>>> experience, >>>>> this is a computer I can easily use for the next 5 years. >>>>> >>>>> That's $37 a month. >>>>> >>>>> Even if a decent laptop with Linux cost me a third of that (and I >>>>> very much doubt you can find one as good for that number), the >>>>> difference is about $25/month. >>>>> >>>>> That's hardly a huge barrier to entry. >>>>> >>>>> But please elaborate: >>>>> >>>>> What makes Apple's technology so "quirky" in your estimation? >>>> >>>> They put the window buttons on the wrong side of the titlebar. >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> Seriously, though, there's nothing wrong with higher end Macs for >>>> what you get. I wouldn't wish a Mac mini on my worst enemy, though. >>> >>> And why is that? >> >> Because both Mac mini's we've owned over the years have been slugs. >> >> >>> >>>> Someone said Macs weren't extendable -- but they are, with >>>> Thunderbolt, >>>> which is basically "external PCIE". >>> >>> "Basically"? It is exactly and literally external PCIe. >>> >>> >>>> Same guy said Macs "weren't really Unix" (paraphrased), but has never >>>> explained what he means by that, and I daresay he's never used a Mac >>>> command line -- which is bash, in a POSIX+ environment. >>>> >>>> There's something to be said about people with no knowledge or >>>> experience with a system making claims about it. I'll not say it >>>> personally, but leave it to others to decide. >>>> >>>> But having said all that: Linux is still a better environment for >>>> _my_ >>>> needs, which includes a recent installation of a document management >>>> system, using docker. (Do Macs have docker? Do they even have >>>> containers? Beats me.) >>> I don't know what "docker" is, and what in Linux context are >>> "containers"? >> >> Containers are a kind of lightweight virtual space that still runs on >> the same kernel as the rest of the host. They can have their own >> uid's,gid's, network addresses, chroots, etc. >> >> Docker is a way to run things easily within containers. It's all the >> rage for lightweight virtualized setups. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software) >> > what , what's this , there's something you don't know About MacOS? There are things there that I definitely don't know -- or didn't know, and had to learn about. (Like setting a custom schedule for timemachine backups. Had to get a third-party app for that.) In the case of docker, it appears one runs colima, and one can get that through brew. I have brew. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.16.3 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.76.05 Mem: 258G "I didn't cheat, I just changed the Rules!"