Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Basic question about Linux versions - 3D Linux Date: 15 Mar 2025 11:25:28 GMT Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 3lG4mRmvEN5IbAOWI6qGawNPm/fN84yM4W41KpY9JUb5bWTtjK Cancel-Lock: sha1:axjiUuFSNg8V4+5qQN9Scahbbdw= sha256:sNYqtJmL/nCW3fI7RRKENXiQyBCAMJMbAMaLPtEJWrY= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; 0a913ba3; Linux-6.14.0-rc6) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:687482 On 15 Mar 2025 11:13:20 GMT, vallor wrote in : > On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 10:38:02 +0000, Farley Flud wrote > in : > >> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:57:14 -0700, x wrote: >> >>> Linux however is not >>> crippled and stifled in that way. What add ons and operating systems >>> now exist with 3 dimensional space as its GUI rather than a 2D one >>> (like most GUIs)? >>> >>> >> After a minute of searching, I found this on Reddit: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXv8VlpoK_g >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Looking_Glass >> >> >> This 3D desktop project is now defunct and it never caught on. >> >> I can see why. 3D GUIs are a stupid idea. They are not an answer >> looking for a question, but more like a hallucination looking for a >> schizophrenic. >> >> Accept the reality. The ultimate GUI, that of 2D windows, keyboard, >> and mouse, is already with us. It will never get any better despite >> many vain attempts to make it better. >> >> It's just like a car. With the steering wheel, brake and accelerator >> pedals, and shift lever, we have attained the ultimate driver UI. It >> can never get any better despite idiotic attempts to do so. > > I watched the video with interest. > > I'm sort of agreeing with you (for a change!), but there are some ideas > from the presentation that both made it in to Beryl/compiz, as well as > could enhance the current desktop experience. > > Regarding the latter, I thought that flipping a window around for > annotations made sense -- or generally, annotated bookmarks of some > sort, in a browser-independent fashion. Also, I was intrigued by the CD > picker application. I think I would rather it show album covers, rather > than CD's, but that's just me -- also, maybe better organization, since > I have hundreds of music albums, and I can't imagine what that would > look like in a carousel arrangement. > > Regarding the former, I remember using Beryl to play a video with > mplayer fullscreen, then rotating the cube to see the video playing on > one face of the cube. That's a cute trick, but it doesn't really help > with much of anything -- but being able to push a video off to the side > makes some sort of sense, if you have only one monitor. > > Of course, if you have two monitors, you can just fullscreen your video > on the second monitor. (And on that note: it's a shame that Linux's > NVIDIA DP/HDMI audio drivers will only address one DP/HDMI port at a > time, which means you can only drive one set of monitor-embedded > speakers at a time.) > > Finally, there's the fact that Beryl (and I assume, compiz) can have > windows "float" over cube surfaces while rotating, which does give some > 3D structure to the whole thing -- you can "see under" windows. But > nowadays -- with compositing window managers like xfce -- one can have a > window be translucent while dragging it, so you can "see through" a > window at what's underneath. (I suppose one could call that a "2.5D > window manager".) > > Thank you for your post, Farley, that was good advocacy. :) Also found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6xDqNhGeEM https://github.com/collinalexbell/HackMatrix Apparently prone to crashes, but there if someone wants to play with it. (The name sort of puts me in mind of something that might not be "production" quality...) -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc6 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "I used to be a bookworm, but I pupated & became a book moth."