Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.alt.net!not-for-mail From: owl Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: More than 350 languages spoken in U.S.; 54 percent of Los Angeles shuns English at home Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Organization: O.W.L. Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <23f053c6-2a5e-489f-b358-b43731b67078@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: boom.rooftop.invalid User-Agent: tin/2.2.1-20140504 ("Tober an Righ") (UNIX) (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64 (x86_64)) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:330885 Snit wrote: > On 11/4/15, 12:28 PM, in article s968y.jhkfi@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > wrote: > > ... >>>> "At that point"? That "point" was the start of the discussion. >>> >>> OK, you have nothing to add to a conversation about Native Americans. I can >>> accept that. >> >> I'm a Native American. My ancestors were German/Swiss, but I was born >> here. That makes me a native. > > Word play can be fun, sure. But not useful for the discussion. > >>>>> You do not accept the very concept being used... there is no way to go >>>>> forward. >>>> >>>> Sure there is. Defend the definition. If you cannot defend the definition, >>>> then you must accept that it is wrong. >>> >>> They are the natives. Europeans and others are not. Done. >> >> Anyone born in the US is a Native American. Period. > > Again, not accurate. > >>> This, of course, does not imply that long ago in history they also did not >>> come from other places - but if you go back far enough we all came from the >>> Big Bang (or whatever started our universe... and, heck, if there is a >>> before that then we can go back even earlier). Such regressions into forever >>> take us nowhere. >>> >>>>>> All the so-called "Native Americans" are descendants of people who >>>>>> themselves migrated here. The only true "Native Americans" are people >>>>>> who were born in America. Period. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe the word "indigenous" would help you to understand what is meant by a >>>>> Native American? >>>> >>>> I am indigenous to the US. Are you? >>> >>> No, I am a European American, born in the US but none of my >>> great-grandparents were. I am not indigenous to the Americas. >> >> Yes, you are. > > Nope. > >>> Apparently >>> GreyCloud is... or so he claims and I have no reason to doubt. >>> >>> So for those who want all the illegal foreigners gone, he gets to stay and >>> we all have to leave. :) >> >> You are wrong. "Born here" == "Native" > > Nice word play! But not useful. > It doesn't matter if you have a use for the truth or not. It still hurts, I see.