Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Arno Welzel Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy Subject: Re: RCS is not more private and secure than texting according to the FBI Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 23:15:59 +0100 Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <2af3c8a2acec02b0176595ce3795478098fa2e2a@i2pn2.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net L5XZjfisiDvOzxgnAiKAPACgCX8fmqZNgm433uIzUhiP0oxHLw Cancel-Lock: sha1:341IZNgmlQzMEILPix13MQdIhs4= sha256:OuYE19cg5zci5IhYmicFBnp3j/3p/5ECYt22XSsuZ/M= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com misc.phone.mobile.iphone:192599 comp.mobile.android:146020 alt.privacy:29833 Andrew, 2025-01-01 03:02: [...] > The main reason for the "absurdity" of this discussion is that it's clear > neither you nor Arno understand how Android works (since an Android phone > does everything without a Google Account being set up on that phone). I *do* understand how Android works! And yes, I *know* that you don't need a Google account to use Android! I only explained, that there are apps(!) which need a Google account and in that case it is completely irrelevant, if the OS itself needs that or not! You can not use Google Wallet without an account for example and there are many other usecases where normal users just rely on Google services. Not everybody is able to set up DAVx5 and host a server for CardDAV/CalDAV to make sure adressbook and calendar are backed up and can be used on other devices too. > Only one out of a million people understand how Android works, Frank. No - even fewer people do so. You won't find more than a few tenthousand people on the world who really understand how Android works, since most people just *use* it and don't know anything at all about application manifests, permissions, sandboxing and so on. But they don't care. People use devices and don't care about the requirements. People use services by Apple, Google, Microsoft, Meta and so on - and they don't care! [...] > Neither you nor Arno have any idea whatsoever how Android works, Frank. I've been publishing apps for Android for more than 10 years now without knowning how Android works? You are really funny. > Every single app on the Google Play Store repository is available to the > Auroa app (which does NOT require a Google Account on the phone) Frank. > > What's absurd is neither you nor Arno have any idea what an Android phone > can do WITHOUT having a Google Account on that phone. I know that. I *use* Android devices without any Google account. But you did not understand one single word I word - nothing at all. > I haven't had a Google Account on my Android phones for many years, Frank. > And I can do more than you can do with that phone, Frank. And I am an Android developer since 2008. What is your professional expertise here besides your private experiences? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de