Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Arno Welzel Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.privacy Subject: Re: RCS is not more private and secure than texting according to the FBI Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 01:23:46 +0100 Lines: 101 Message-ID: References: <0maa3lxnpe.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 6kfe9iZWNHV4wW+G/M40qAAQM4crvoMp068IkO2ljsSknAjPyM Cancel-Lock: sha1:lkUTrGx6gU57zB3cmzqA2c8+ejQ= sha256:kCj24SI9QnOsQqQ/akpLJvtEk3MSylY6Gm3Sy3MaK5w= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com misc.phone.mobile.iphone:192317 comp.mobile.android:145645 alt.privacy:29772 Andrew, 2024-12-25 19:08: > Arno Welzel wrote on Wed, 25 Dec 2024 18:07:27 +0100 : > >>> There is no "problem" to solve other than to UNDERSTAND what Apple does. >> >> What Apple does should be well known. > > Agree - but there are many people on the Apple newsgroups who are clueless. > All they know is the propaganda Apple feeds them to believe. > >> They've been doing this now for more than 15 years. > > Agree. For example, Apple's strategy of not providing external memory > hardware is likely designed to feed iCloud storage subscriptions. > >> So why did you bring this up at all if you don't have a problem with it? > > I didn't bring it up. You did. I politely responded to what you brought up. Nope. You startet this in message : Quote: The iPhone is a dumb terminal - devoid of functionality if you don't log into the Apple mainframe servers 24/7/365 just for basic functionality. The funny thing is Apple users are clueless that they are logging into Apple's mainframe servers 24/7/365 for all those "walled garden" goodies. (End of quote) > >>> The "problem" is only one out of a million people UNDERSTANDs Apple. >>> Because most people are incredibly ignorant about what Apple does. >> >> People are ignorant about EVERYTHING and not just Apple. > > Agree. For example, some people think gravity is a force. They're stupid. > > >> Nearly ALL companies do this. > > Agree; luckily for Android, Google doesn't require an account on the device > for the device to work perfectly fine. Everyone knows this to be a fact. It depends on how you define "work perfectly fine". Many apps and services do *not* work without a Google account on the device since they *require* Google Play Services. >> Google Play Services are a requirement(!) for many apps. > > Agree that is a requirement for many Android apps; > but that's not the same thing as the device requiring a mothership account. Which makes not a big difference. And com.google.android.gms is not the only requirement, there are lot more services which apps need, depending on what the app does. And good luck getting Google Wallet or banking apps running without a Google Account. > Only Apple devices require a mothership account just to activate them. So what? > From your comments, I'm slowly realizing you don't appear to understand > there is a difference between an operating system versus apps on it. And from your comments I believe you don't understand that this makes no difference. When users need an account and online services to be able to use something, then it does not matter, if that requirement comes from the OS or the apps or both - in the end you still need the online account and services. Most users *will* need a Google account for their Android smartphones since they *need* certain apps - e.g. banking apps which will not work without Google Play services. So it does not matter, if the device itself may work without an account - in the end you still need it. Yes, with microG you may provide this without the need of an "official" Android but with using e/OS/ or similar - but you still need to create and use a Google account for certain apps. >> Microsoft 365 also requires(!) an online account. > > One of us doesn't understand what "Microsoft 365" is if you say that. > I work in a company where Microsoft 365 and Azure Cloud Clients and Azure Desktop get implemented for thousands of employees. What is your professional experience with that? > I'm slowly realizing you don't know the difference between an operating > system versus a suite of software that runs on that operating system. I wouldn't be so sure about this: -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de